Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00640)

Here is the link to THEOS-L maillist:
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-l
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MKR
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> wrote:

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>
> can you please send the link?
> Thanks
> Cass
>
> >
> >From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Monday, 29 June, 2009 12:16:57 PM
> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Dirty Tricks update
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >It is well and alive in its new incarnation at yahoo.groups. Sign up. Also
> >the archives can be browsed.
> >.
> >MKR
> >.
> >On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi MKR, I thought theos L died a natural death. It was started for those
> >> who were not thoroughly immersed in the political situation and I gained
> >> much from it. I never receive any postings from it.
> >> Cass
> >>
> >> >
> >> >From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
> >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> >> >Sent: Sunday, 28 June, 2009 11:59:50 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Dirty Tricks update
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Eric: Here is a summary of the resources and the current situation. I
> hope
> >> >it helps.
> >> >.
> >> >MKR
> >> >.
> >> >+++---+++-- - +++---+++
> >> >THEOSOPHICAL MAILLISTS & COMMUNITY SITE
> >> >.
> >> >There are only two theosophical maillists - theos-talk and theos-L,
> both
> >> at
> >> >yahoo groups - which are independent of all organizations and are
> >> >unmoderated. There is also a ning communit site at www.theosophy. net,
> >> which
> >> >is also independent of all organizations. These resources are used by
> >> >"theosophists" who belong to organizations as well as those who do not
> >> >belong to any. Hence, there is free exchange of ideas and discussion on
> >> >varied matters in these sites without interference from organizations
> >> which
> >> >have their own vested interests. So, when a "theosophist" is looking
> for
> >> >help or information, these are places to go to.
> >> >.
> >> >CURRENT SITUATION IN TS-ADYAR
> >> >.
> >> >Any newbee visitor to theos-talk in recent months would be wondering
> why
> >> >there is so much traffic on TS organizational matters on theos-talk.
> This
> >> >needs explanation. Since early last year, TS has faced a crisis like of
> >> >which no one has ever seen in last more than 50 - 75 years. It is also
> >> more
> >> >serious than the Coloumb crisis which shook the TS in its foundations.
> So
> >> >for newbees, some background information is needed.
> >> >.
> >> >The crisis started with the election of International President.
> >> >International President candidates are nominated by the members of the
> >> >General Council which consists of the National Secretaries, ex-officio
> >> >members and nominated members. Once nomination is done, members
> world-wide
> >> >cast their votes and winner is determined.
> >> >.
> >> >In the current election, there were two candidates; current president
> and
> >> >another candidate. Many GC members who was opposed to election of the
> >> >current president, tried to sway the election by alleging that the
> >> president
> >> >is sick mentally and physically and hence should be defeated. However,
> >> three
> >> >well known and highly regarded physicians from three continents found
> her
> >> >fit, both mentally and physically and she was elected with a wide
> margin.
> >> >.
> >> >The matter would have ended with election and TS would have gone on its
> >> way
> >> >to fulfill its mission - spreading theosophy. It was not to be. Soon
> after
> >> >the election, members were shocked to learn of a ultra secret move by a
> >> >handful of GC members, which included the defeated candidate, to change
> >> the
> >> >rules of TS, to disenfranchise all the members and seize the power to
> >> >appoint the president. Already GC has the monopoly to nominate the
> >> >presidential candidates and not satisfied with it, the move was in
> effect
> >> to
> >> >monopolize the appointment of the president, by disenfranchising the
> >> >members. Many members were in shock and dismay that their leaders would
> >> even
> >> >dream of disenfranchisement. This was also seen by many as an end-run
> >> >reaction after losing the election. After public disclosure and member
> >> >reaction, it has not moved forward so far. In the minds of many
> members,
> >> >this incident also diminished the trust members had in their leaders.
> >> >.
> >> >In any organization, such as TS, unity of purpose and cooperation is
> >> >essential for the growth. The GC meeting held in December 2008,
> revealed a
> >> >deep cleavage between two groups of members and this was displayed by
> the
> >> >pattern of voting in the GC meeting.
> >> >.
> >> >So in the above circumstances, members are alert and vigilant as the do
> >> not
> >> >know what to expect next from their leaders.
> >> >.
> >> >THEOS-TALK
> >> >.
> >> >Much of the current discussion on organizational and some philosophical
> >> >matters take place here. This is the only forum where free discussion
> can
> >> >take place without organizational intereference. But for the disclosure
> of
> >> >the disenfranchisement move in this list, the disenfranchisement would
> >> have
> >> >been a fait accompli and TS would have changed topsy turvy by now. I am
> >> sure
> >> >there are some unhappy campers on this issue.
> >> >.
> >> >THEOS-L
> >> >.
> >> >This is the second maillist which is not controlled by any
> organization.
> >> >Much of the traffic on this list deal with theosophical and
> philosophical
> >> >matters and occassionally you will see other matters discussed. It has
> a
> >> >much smaller circulation.
> >> >.
> >> >THEOSOPHICAL NING SITE
> >> >.
> >> >The theosophical ning site at www.theosophy. net, is the newest online
> >> forum
> >> >to interact with others interested in theosophy and allied matters. It
> is
> >> >also independent and not controlled by any organization.
> >> >.
> >> >Many of us participate in all of the above and the trick in
> participation
> >> is
> >> >to post a question or request for help or information and usually, you
> get
> >> >quick responses. So it is upto us, the participants, to keep the sites
> >> >active and make use of it.
> >> >.
> >> >MKR
> >> >.
> >> >Visit www.theosophy. net and enjoy.
> >> >
> >> >On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Eric S. Dye <brainspeaks@ gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> >> >>
> >> >> Hello Folks,
> >> >>
> >> >> Although I have been a member of this list for 9 months or so, I had
> no
> >> >> access to it for 8 months. When I joined the list, I posted something
> >> >> about Alice Bailey, got a negative post from someone and then a kind
> >> >> post from MKR. I have been a Theosophical student for 35 years, not
> >> >> necessarily a Theosophist in the political end of it, but in the
> living
> >> >> the life of.......... . I am wondering if there is ever any
> discussion
> >> of
> >> >> Theosophical precepts and the life teachings of Theosophy in addition
> to
> >> >> the politics in Adyar. Now that I have become an active member again
> (as
> >> >> of today), I do wonder if Theosophy as a "way of life" is ever
> discussed
> >> >> or if this list is designed around the politics in India. That is
> >> >> interesting to a degree, but I think it gets "stale" after
> awhile.Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >> Eric S. Dye, brainspeaks@ gmail.com <brainspeaks% 40gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >> MKR wrote:
> >> >> > The individual was from Chicago according to the profile. I hope at
> >> the
> >> >> end
> >> >> > of the detective work, someone is going have a virtual pie in their
> >> face
> >> >> if
> >> >> > another person was behind the trick!!!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:35 PM, <Drpsionic@aol.com<Drpsionic%40aol. com>>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I wonder if I should start wearing a mask with a new avatar to
> >> confuse
> >> >> >> them. After all, two can play at that game.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Chuck the Heretic
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In a message dated 6/27/2009 8:06:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> >> >> >> mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com> <mkr777%40gmail. com>
> >> writes:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The participant in the ning community who posted a doctored
> document
> >> and
> >> >> >> when questioned, signed off quickly and left. Many participants
> now
> >> feel
> >> >> >> that the person was masquerading using a pseudonym.
> >> >> >> .
> >> >> >> Based on past experience of some of the participants here, the
> >> >> masqueraders
> >> >> >> are de-masked and publicly embarrassed in time.
> >> >> >> .
> >> >> >> Vigilancy of participants seems to be a solution to prevent
> >> masqueraders
> >> >> >> causing trouble.
> >> >> >> .
> >> >> >> .
> >> >> >> MKR
> >> >> >> .
> >> >> >> PS: This may not be the last of masqueraders; do not be surprised
> if
> >> we
> >> >> run
> >> >> >> into them in the future.
> >> >> >>
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> >> >> - --
> >> >> Our deeper understanding leads us to another kind of power, a power
> that
> >> >> loves
> >> >> life in every form that it appears, a power that does not judge what
> it
> >> >> encounters, a power that perceives meaningfulness and purpose in the
> >> >> smallest
> >> >> details upon the Earth. p.26
> >> >>
> >> >> Our deeper understanding tells us that a truly evolved being is one
> that
> >> >> values
> >> >> others more than it values itself, and that values love more than it
> >> >> values the
> >> >> physical world and what is in it. p.21
> >> >>
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