Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00643)

Cass, 
If you click on "Messages" you wil lsee that the last 25 posts were by Gerald Schueler, Mauri, and Zakk. Familair faces here. 
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From: "MKR" <mkr777@gmail.com> 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:36:46 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Dirty Tricks update 








Here is the link to THEOS-L maillist: 
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-l 
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MKR 
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Cass Silva < silva_cass@yahoo.com > wrote: 

> 
> 
> can you please send the link? 
> Thanks 
> Cass 
> 
> > 
> >From: MKR < mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>> 
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com> 
> >Sent: Monday, 29 June, 2009 12:16:57 PM 
> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Dirty Tricks update 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >It is well and alive in its new incarnation at yahoo.groups. Sign up. Also 
> >the archives can be browsed. 
> >. 
> >MKR 
> >. 
> >On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo. com> 
> wrote: 
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hi MKR, I thought theos L died a natural death. It was started for those 
> >> who were not thoroughly immersed in the political situation and I gained 
> >> much from it. I never receive any postings from it. 
> >> Cass 
> >> 
> >> > 
> >> >From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>> 
> >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com> 
> >> >Sent: Sunday, 28 June, 2009 11:59:50 PM 
> >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Dirty Tricks update 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> >Eric: Here is a summary of the resources and the current situation. I 
> hope 
> >> >it helps. 
> >> >. 
> >> >MKR 
> >> >. 
> >> >+++---+++-- - +++---+++ 
> >> >THEOSOPHICAL MAILLISTS & COMMUNITY SITE 
> >> >. 
> >> >There are only two theosophical maillists - theos-talk and theos-L, 
> both 
> >> at 
> >> >yahoo groups - which are independent of all organizations and are 
> >> >unmoderated. There is also a ning communit site at www.theosophy. net, 
> >> which 
> >> >is also independent of all organizations. These resources are used by 
> >> >"theosophists" who belong to organizations as well as those who do not 
> >> >belong to any. Hence, there is free exchange of ideas and discussion on 
> >> >varied matters in these sites without interference from organizations 
> >> which 
> >> >have their own vested interests. So, when a "theosophist" is looking 
> for 
> >> >help or information, these are places to go to. 
> >> >. 
> >> >CURRENT SITUATION IN TS-ADYAR 
> >> >. 
> >> >Any newbee visitor to theos-talk in recent months would be wondering 
> why 
> >> >there is so much traffic on TS organizational matters on theos-talk. 
> This 
> >> >needs explanation. Since early last year, TS has faced a crisis like of 
> >> >which no one has ever seen in last more than 50 - 75 years. It is also 
> >> more 
> >> >serious than the Coloumb crisis which shook the TS in its foundations. 
> So 
> >> >for newbees, some background information is needed. 
> >> >. 
> >> >The crisis started with the election of International President. 
> >> >International President candidates are nominated by the members of the 
> >> >General Council which consists of the National Secretaries, ex-officio 
> >> >members and nominated members. Once nomination is done, members 
> world-wide 
> >> >cast their votes and winner is determined. 
> >> >. 
> >> >In the current election, there were two candidates; current president 
> and 
> >> >another candidate. Many GC members who was opposed to election of the 
> >> >current president, tried to sway the election by alleging that the 
> >> president 
> >> >is sick mentally and physically and hence should be defeated. However, 
> >> three 
> >> >well known and highly regarded physicians from three continents found 
> her 
> >> >fit, both mentally and physically and she was elected with a wide 
> margin. 
> >> >. 
> >> >The matter would have ended with election and TS would have gone on its 
> >> way 
> >> >to fulfill its mission - spreading theosophy. It was not to be. Soon 
> after 
> >> >the election, members were shocked to learn of a ultra secret move by a 
> >> >handful of GC members, which included the defeated candidate, to change 
> >> the 
> >> >rules of TS, to disenfranchise all the members and seize the power to 
> >> >appoint the president. Already GC has the monopoly to nominate the 
> >> >presidential candidates and not satisfied with it, the move was in 
> effect 
> >> to 
> >> >monopolize the appointment of the president, by disenfranchising the 
> >> >members. Many members were in shock and dismay that their leaders would 
> >> even 
> >> >dream of disenfranchisement. This was also seen by many as an end-run 
> >> >reaction after losing the election. After public disclosure and member 
> >> >reaction, it has not moved forward so far. In the minds of many 
> members, 
> >> >this incident also diminished the trust members had in their leaders. 
> >> >. 
> >> >In any organization, such as TS, unity of purpose and cooperation is 
> >> >essential for the growth. The GC meeting held in December 2008, 
> revealed a 
> >> >deep cleavage between two groups of members and this was displayed by 
> the 
> >> >pattern of voting in the GC meeting. 
> >> >. 
> >> >So in the above circumstances, members are alert and vigilant as the do 
> >> not 
> >> >know what to expect next from their leaders. 
> >> >. 
> >> >THEOS-TALK 
> >> >. 
> >> >Much of the current discussion on organizational and some philosophical 
> >> >matters take place here. This is the only forum where free discussion 
> can 
> >> >take place without organizational intereference. But for the disclosure 
> of 
> >> >the disenfranchisement move in this list, the disenfranchisement would 
> >> have 
> >> >been a fait accompli and TS would have changed topsy turvy by now. I am 
> >> sure 
> >> >there are some unhappy campers on this issue. 
> >> >. 
> >> >THEOS-L 
> >> >. 
> >> >This is the second maillist which is not controlled by any 
> organization. 
> >> >Much of the traffic on this list deal with theosophical and 
> philosophical 
> >> >matters and occassionally you will see other matters discussed. It has 
> a 
> >> >much smaller circulation. 
> >> >. 
> >> >THEOSOPHICAL NING SITE 
> >> >. 
> >> >The theosophical ning site at www.theosophy. net, is the newest online 
> >> forum 
> >> >to interact with others interested in theosophy and allied matters. It 
> is 
> >> >also independent and not controlled by any organization. 
> >> >. 
> >> >Many of us participate in all of the above and the trick in 
> participation 
> >> is 
> >> >to post a question or request for help or information and usually, you 
> get 
> >> >quick responses. So it is upto us, the participants, to keep the sites 
> >> >active and make use of it. 
> >> >. 
> >> >MKR 
> >> >. 
> >> >Visit www.theosophy. net and enjoy. 
> >> > 
> >> >On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Eric S. Dye <brainspeaks@ gmail.com> 
> >> wrote: 
> >> > 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
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> >> >> 
> >> >> Hello Folks, 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Although I have been a member of this list for 9 months or so, I had 
> no 
> >> >> access to it for 8 months. When I joined the list, I posted something 
> >> >> about Alice Bailey, got a negative post from someone and then a kind 
> >> >> post from MKR. I have been a Theosophical student for 35 years, not 
> >> >> necessarily a Theosophist in the political end of it, but in the 
> living 
> >> >> the life of.......... . I am wondering if there is ever any 
> discussion 
> >> of 
> >> >> Theosophical precepts and the life teachings of Theosophy in addition 
> to 
> >> >> the politics in Adyar. Now that I have become an active member again 
> (as 
> >> >> of today), I do wonder if Theosophy as a "way of life" is ever 
> discussed 
> >> >> or if this list is designed around the politics in India. That is 
> >> >> interesting to a degree, but I think it gets "stale" after 
> awhile.Thanks 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Eric S. Dye, brainspeaks@ gmail.com <brainspeaks% 40gmail.com> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> MKR wrote: 
> >> >> > The individual was from Chicago according to the profile. I hope at 
> >> the 
> >> >> end 
> >> >> > of the detective work, someone is going have a virtual pie in their 
> >> face 
> >> >> if 
> >> >> > another person was behind the trick!!! 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:35 PM, < Drpsionic@aol.com <Drpsionic%40aol. com>> 
> >> >> wrote: 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> I wonder if I should start wearing a mask with a new avatar to 
> >> confuse 
> >> >> >> them. After all, two can play at that game. 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Chuck the Heretic 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> In a message dated 6/27/2009 8:06:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> >> >> >> mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com> <mkr777%40gmail. com> 
> >> writes: 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> The participant in the ning community who posted a doctored 
> document 
> >> and 
> >> >> >> when questioned, signed off quickly and left. Many participants 
> now 
> >> feel 
> >> >> >> that the person was masquerading using a pseudonym. 
> >> >> >> . 
> >> >> >> Based on past experience of some of the participants here, the 
> >> >> masqueraders 
> >> >> >> are de-masked and publicly embarrassed in time. 
> >> >> >> . 
> >> >> >> Vigilancy of participants seems to be a solution to prevent 
> >> masqueraders 
> >> >> >> causing trouble. 
> >> >> >> . 
> >> >> >> . 
> >> >> >> MKR 
> >> >> >> . 
> >> >> >> PS: This may not be the last of masqueraders; do not be surprised 
> if 
> >> we 
> >> >> run 
> >> >> >> into them in the future. 
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> >> >> 
> >> >> - -- 
> >> >> Our deeper understanding leads us to another kind of power, a power 
> that 
> >> >> loves 
> >> >> life in every form that it appears, a power that does not judge what 
> it 
> >> >> encounters, a power that perceives meaningfulness and purpose in the 
> >> >> smallest 
> >> >> details upon the Earth. p.26 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Our deeper understanding tells us that a truly evolved being is one 
> that 
> >> >> values 
> >> >> others more than it values itself, and that values love more than it 
> >> >> values the 
> >> >> physical world and what is in it. p.21 
> >> >> 
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