Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00674)

Thanks re-enlisted.  
Cass


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>From: "Augoeides-222@comcast.net" <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, 29 June, 2009 2:29:52 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Dirty Tricks update
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>Cass, 
>If you click on "Messages" you wil lsee that the last 25 posts were by Gerald Schueler, Mauri, and Zakk. Familair faces here. 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "MKR" <mkr777@gmail. com> 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:36:46 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Dirty Tricks update 
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>Here is the link to THEOS-L maillist: 
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>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- l 
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>MKR 
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>On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Cass Silva < silva_cass@yahoo. com > wrote: 
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>> 
>> 
>> can you please send the link? 
>> Thanks 
>> Cass 
>> 
>> > 
>> >From: MKR < mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>> 
>> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com> 
>> >Sent: Monday, 29 June, 2009 12:16:57 PM 
>> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Dirty Tricks update 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >It is well and alive in its new incarnation at yahoo.groups. Sign up. Also 
>> >the archives can be browsed. 
>> >. 
>> >MKR 
>> >. 
>> >On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com> 
>> wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Hi MKR, I thought theos L died a natural death. It was started for those 
>> >> who were not thoroughly immersed in the political situation and I gained 
>> >> much from it. I never receive any postings from it. 
>> >> Cass 
>> >> 
>> >> > 
>> >> >From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>> 
>> >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com> 
>> >> >Sent: Sunday, 28 June, 2009 11:59:50 PM 
>> >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Dirty Tricks update 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> >Eric: Here is a summary of the resources and the current situation. I 
>> hope 
>> >> >it helps. 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >MKR 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >+++---+++-- - +++---+++ 
>> >> >THEOSOPHICAL MAILLISTS & COMMUNITY SITE 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >There are only two theosophical maillists - theos-talk and theos-L, 
>> both 
>> >> at 
>> >> >yahoo groups - which are independent of all organizations and are 
>> >> >unmoderated. There is also a ning communit site at www.theosophy. net, 
>> >> which 
>> >> >is also independent of all organizations. These resources are used by 
>> >> >"theosophists" who belong to organizations as well as those who do not 
>> >> >belong to any. Hence, there is free exchange of ideas and discussion on 
>> >> >varied matters in these sites without interference from organizations 
>> >> which 
>> >> >have their own vested interests. So, when a "theosophist" is looking 
>> for 
>> >> >help or information, these are places to go to. 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >CURRENT SITUATION IN TS-ADYAR 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >Any newbee visitor to theos-talk in recent months would be wondering 
>> why 
>> >> >there is so much traffic on TS organizational matters on theos-talk. 
>> This 
>> >> >needs explanation. Since early last year, TS has faced a crisis like of 
>> >> >which no one has ever seen in last more than 50 - 75 years. It is also 
>> >> more 
>> >> >serious than the Coloumb crisis which shook the TS in its foundations. 
>> So 
>> >> >for newbees, some background information is needed. 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >The crisis started with the election of International President. 
>> >> >International President candidates are nominated by the members of the 
>> >> >General Council which consists of the National Secretaries, ex-officio 
>> >> >members and nominated members. Once nomination is done, members 
>> world-wide 
>> >> >cast their votes and winner is determined. 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >In the current election, there were two candidates; current president 
>> and 
>> >> >another candidate. Many GC members who was opposed to election of the 
>> >> >current president, tried to sway the election by alleging that the 
>> >> president 
>> >> >is sick mentally and physically and hence should be defeated. However, 
>> >> three 
>> >> >well known and highly regarded physicians from three continents found 
>> her 
>> >> >fit, both mentally and physically and she was elected with a wide 
>> margin. 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >The matter would have ended with election and TS would have gone on its 
>> >> way 
>> >> >to fulfill its mission - spreading theosophy. It was not to be. Soon 
>> after 
>> >> >the election, members were shocked to learn of a ultra secret move by a 
>> >> >handful of GC members, which included the defeated candidate, to change 
>> >> the 
>> >> >rules of TS, to disenfranchise all the members and seize the power to 
>> >> >appoint the president. Already GC has the monopoly to nominate the 
>> >> >presidential candidates and not satisfied with it, the move was in 
>> effect 
>> >> to 
>> >> >monopolize the appointment of the president, by disenfranchising the 
>> >> >members. Many members were in shock and dismay that their leaders would 
>> >> even 
>> >> >dream of disenfranchisement. This was also seen by many as an end-run 
>> >> >reaction after losing the election. After public disclosure and member 
>> >> >reaction, it has not moved forward so far. In the minds of many 
>> members, 
>> >> >this incident also diminished the trust members had in their leaders. 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >In any organization, such as TS, unity of purpose and cooperation is 
>> >> >essential for the growth. The GC meeting held in December 2008, 
>> revealed a 
>> >> >deep cleavage between two groups of members and this was displayed by 
>> the 
>> >> >pattern of voting in the GC meeting. 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >So in the above circumstances, members are alert and vigilant as the do 
>> >> not 
>> >> >know what to expect next from their leaders. 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >THEOS-TALK 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >Much of the current discussion on organizational and some philosophical 
>> >> >matters take place here. This is the only forum where free discussion 
>> can 
>> >> >take place without organizational intereference. But for the disclosure 
>> of 
>> >> >the disenfranchisement move in this list, the disenfranchisement would 
>> >> have 
>> >> >been a fait accompli and TS would have changed topsy turvy by now. I am 
>> >> sure 
>> >> >there are some unhappy campers on this issue. 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >THEOS-L 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >This is the second maillist which is not controlled by any 
>> organization. 
>> >> >Much of the traffic on this list deal with theosophical and 
>> philosophical 
>> >> >matters and occassionally you will see other matters discussed. It has 
>> a 
>> >> >much smaller circulation. 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >THEOSOPHICAL NING SITE 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >The theosophical ning site at www.theosophy. net, is the newest online 
>> >> forum 
>> >> >to interact with others interested in theosophy and allied matters. It 
>> is 
>> >> >also independent and not controlled by any organization. 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >Many of us participate in all of the above and the trick in 
>> participation 
>> >> is 
>> >> >to post a question or request for help or information and usually, you 
>> get 
>> >> >quick responses. So it is upto us, the participants, to keep the sites 
>> >> >active and make use of it. 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >MKR 
>> >> >. 
>> >> >Visit www.theosophy. net and enjoy. 
>> >> > 
>> >> >On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Eric S. Dye <brainspeaks@ gmail.com> 
>> >> wrote: 
>> >> > 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
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>> >> >> Hello Folks, 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Although I have been a member of this list for 9 months or so, I had 
>> no 
>> >> >> access to it for 8 months. When I joined the list, I posted something 
>> >> >> about Alice Bailey, got a negative post from someone and then a kind 
>> >> >> post from MKR. I have been a Theosophical student for 35 years, not 
>> >> >> necessarily a Theosophist in the political end of it, but in the 
>> living 
>> >> >> the life of.......... . I am wondering if there is ever any 
>> discussion 
>> >> of 
>> >> >> Theosophical precepts and the life teachings of Theosophy in addition 
>> to 
>> >> >> the politics in Adyar. Now that I have become an active member again 
>> (as 
>> >> >> of today), I do wonder if Theosophy as a "way of life" is ever 
>> discussed 
>> >> >> or if this list is designed around the politics in India. That is 
>> >> >> interesting to a degree, but I think it gets "stale" after 
>> awhile.Thanks 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Eric S. Dye, brainspeaks@ gmail.com <brainspeaks% 40gmail.com> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> MKR wrote: 
>> >> >> > The individual was from Chicago according to the profile. I hope at 
>> >> the 
>> >> >> end 
>> >> >> > of the detective work, someone is going have a virtual pie in their 
>> >> face 
>> >> >> if 
>> >> >> > another person was behind the trick!!! 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:35 PM, < Drpsionic@aol. com <Drpsionic%40aol. com>> 
>> >> >> wrote: 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> I wonder if I should start wearing a mask with a new avatar to 
>> >> confuse 
>> >> >> >> them. After all, two can play at that game. 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> Chuck the Heretic 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> In a message dated 6/27/2009 8:06:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>> >> >> >> mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com> <mkr777%40gmail. com> 
>> >> writes: 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> The participant in the ning community who posted a doctored 
>> document 
>> >> and 
>> >> >> >> when questioned, signed off quickly and left. Many participants 
>> now 
>> >> feel 
>> >> >> >> that the person was masquerading using a pseudonym. 
>> >> >> >> . 
>> >> >> >> Based on past experience of some of the participants here, the 
>> >> >> masqueraders 
>> >> >> >> are de-masked and publicly embarrassed in time. 
>> >> >> >> . 
>> >> >> >> Vigilancy of participants seems to be a solution to prevent 
>> >> masqueraders 
>> >> >> >> causing trouble. 
>> >> >> >> . 
>> >> >> >> . 
>> >> >> >> MKR 
>> >> >> >> . 
>> >> >> >> PS: This may not be the last of masqueraders; do not be surprised 
>> if 
>> >> we 
>> >> >> run 
>> >> >> >> into them in the future. 
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>> >> >> Our deeper understanding leads us to another kind of power, a power 
>> that 
>> >> >> loves 
>> >> >> life in every form that it appears, a power that does not judge what 
>> it 
>> >> >> encounters, a power that perceives meaningfulness and purpose in the 
>> >> >> smallest 
>> >> >> details upon the Earth. p.26 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Our deeper understanding tells us that a truly evolved being is one 
>> that 
>> >> >> values 
>> >> >> others more than it values itself, and that values love more than it 
>> >> >> values the 
>> >> >> physical world and what is in it. p.21 
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