Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00673)

You'll be sent to bed early!   lol
Cass


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>From: "Drpsionic@aol.com" <Drpsionic@aol.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, 29 June, 2009 3:08:22 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
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>Given some of the ideas the Masters came up with we had little choice.
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>Chuck the heretic
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>In a message dated 6/28/2009 7:55:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>silva_cass@yahoo. com writes:
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>Seems to me that there have been a few in the TS who have been loyal to 
>their ideas rather than the ideas expressed through the masters! 
>
>Cass
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>>From: preethi muthiah <_seeker_preethi@ seeker_pr_ 
>(mailto:seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com) >
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com) 
>>Sent: Wednesday, 24 June, 2009 6:56:42 PM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
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>>Hi all,
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>>In a letter from the Masters of the Wisdom to AP Sinnett, the Master KH 
>mentions that we must learn as Theosophists to be loyal to the Idea rather 
>than to Them. I would paraphrase that statement to say that we must learn to 
>be loyal to the Idea rather than to the Society (which is defined as a 
>collection of individuals with a common goal or Object)...the goal is always 
>bigger than its instrument. The Object or Idea of the Theosophical Society 
>is bigger than the Society itself, which is an instrument. So put rightly, 
>and here I am including a point made by Prof CA Shinde -- a well-wisher, 
>committed member-worker at Adyar, a national lecturer of the Indian Section of 
>the TS -- when we last met at Adyar that my leaving the ES and Adyar is 
>going to be loss for these two organizations. ..to put it rightly, the TS and 
>ES and Adyar have had very few "successes" or "gains" since their 
>inception... .
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>>I believe I am not a "loss" to the TS or ES or Adyar. In fact, i am oned 
>with their spirit...One needs to understand the purpose behind the founding 
>of the TS and one would then see that when an aspirant after the Truth 
>finds his/her feet and takes the first step to speak the Truth as s/he sees 
>it, s/he becomes a "success" or "gain" for the organization founded to be a 
>forum where truth seekers can find the space to explore and express the 
>Truth, as they see it.
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>>Seen this way, Mrs Burnier is definitely a loss to the TS. As are the 
>other GC members who don't do anything to uphold the Truth. as also members of 
>the TS who are even now keeping silent, doing nothing, postponing the 
>decisive moment....
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>>Fraternal Greetings
>>Preethi
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>>--- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@ yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>Date: Monday, 22 June, 2009, 9:50 PM
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>>Thanks Roberta; yes, I mean "unable"!
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>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robertapimenta26" <robertapimenta26@ 
>...> wrote:
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>>> Mr. Rozman,
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>>> You write: "'enable' to reveal their identity", perhaps you mean 
>UNABLE, yes? 
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>>> ES members are TS members, and in this capacity they should have the 
>decency to come out and speak up, if it's true that the present situation is 
>that alarming. It is all about the TS (Adyar) and its task as vehicle for 
>theosophy. If truth is what members want to go for, so be it, no matter what 
>the price is: ES member TS member, or like me, no member but independent, 
>what is there to loose?
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>>> Roberta
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>>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@ > 
>wrote:
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>>> > Dear Roberta and all,
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>>> > 
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>>> > It is clear that in regard to the critical issues concerning the 
>management of the Theosophical Society the TS Headquarters Administration 
>doesn't correspond directly and publicly with membership and that there was 
>number of persons who in last two years somehow spoke on its behalf having 
>access to critical documents. It is not clear if this highly questionable and 
>unconstitutional way of communication was chosen by TS Headquarters 
>Administration itself or arbitrarily by some individuals or group of people what 
>would indicate the presence of parallel government within the Theosophical 
>Society. In addition, it seems that there is present also strong tendency to 
>represent somehow distorted picture and that there are some TS members who 
>are highly alarmed because of this situation and are trying to convey more 
>faithful information but who are, for various reasons, enable to reveal 
>their identity. It is my impression that until the ES members, who are
>>after all members of the TS, will not be in the position or willing to 
>speak publicly about the real state of affairs and to show their genuine 
>concern regarding the fate of the Theosophical Society, there is great danger 
>that we will ultimately lose the TS as we imagine it.
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>>> > Warmest regards,
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>>> > Anton
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>>> > 
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>>> > 
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>>> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robertapimenta26" 
><robertapimenta26@ > wrote:
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>>> > > Dear Mr. Rozman,
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>>> > > 
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>>> > > The silence from the International President (Adyar) is 
>significant, but not surprising. Some individuals are doing the talking for her, like 
>Mr. Pedro Oliveira, who according to some messages I received is travelling 
>through Europe at the moment. There are alarming stories going round and 
>they point to two main issues: 1) the adminstration of the Adyar estate 
>itself, the contribution of Mrs. Preethi was an example and 2) a secret attempt 
>by the International President to do away with all those who believe that 
>she cannot fulfil her office as International President any longer. Mind 
>you, these are, for as far as I am concerned only rumours, don't want to 
>speculate, but does any of you contributors know more about this? 
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>>> > > Roberta
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>>> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@ > 
>wrote:
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>>> > > > Cass,
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>>> > > > We are all missing the "word of the President", addressing this 
>critical situation, proposing solutions, indicating the way out. Is not this 
>silence possibly crying out that maybe she is not in a position to speak 
>on her own any more?
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>>> > > > 
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>>> > > > Best regards,
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>>> > > > Anton
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>>> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ > 
>wrote:
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>>> > > > > I don't hear any cries of helplessness coming from Ms Burnier 
>unless of course she is hoping that the bad publicity will go away?
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>>> > > > > Cass
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>>> > > > > >From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@ >
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>>> > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>>> > > > > >Sent: Sunday, 21 June, 2009 2:45:39 PM
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>>> > > > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
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>>> > > > > >Dear Cass,
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>>> > > > > >Every patient wants to be cured. Resistance is just sign of 
>deep helplessness and is actually cry for help. The only remedy is truth of 
>facts which can be very painful, so that some would rather die than expose i
>t. But in this situation we are all patients and we can cure ourselves only 
>with mutual help and humility. No one is above the situation, no one is 
>without guilt. We all allowed it to happen, some more and some less. We are 
>all in the same boat.
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>>> > > > > >Best regards,
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>>> > > > > >Anton
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>>> > > > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ 
>....> wrote:
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>>> > > > > >> Anton, the patient must want to be cured before any healing 
>can take place!
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>>> > > > > >> Cass
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>>> > > > > >> >From: preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@ ...>
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>>> > > > > >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>>> > > > > >> >Sent: Saturday, 20 June, 2009 6:29:35 PM
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>>> > > > > >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
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>>> > > > > >> >Hi MKR,
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>>> > > > > >> >If i could put it more appropriately cleansing is needed 
>overall, but instead of harping on about the "secret disenfranchising 
>attempt made by some of the General Secretaries -- which i understand was just a 
>suggestion rather than a finalized move -- one needs to look at the reasons 
>why this suggestion was even thought about". In treating a disease, one 
>can either look at the symptoms or at the root cause.
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>>> > > > > >> >If you start looking at the root cause of this whole 
>problem you will, willy-nilly, trace it back to the ineffective leadership of the 
>current international president (which she has been over the past 29 
>years), Mrs Radha Burnier and the policies she uses to "rule".
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>>> > > > > >> >One will also notice, if one is perceptive, that the 
>attempt from Mrs Burnier's lobbyists has always been to look at the symptoms and 
>focus attention there, rather than to look at the root cause of this whole 
>division in the TS.
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>>> > > > > >> >One can then look at some of these things deeply and 
>question them or ponder over them: (a) What is all this fear doing in an 
>organization that has altruism as its ideal; (b) Why does the leader of this 
>organization initiate gossip and why has she never thought about the deep-seated 
>effects this kind of behaviour will generate among members; (c) One would 
>expect the head of a spiritual organization to have insight into human 
>nature. Why has this aspect of Mrs Burnier never found expression even though 
>opportunities for this insight and resultant understanding were present 
>throughout her career as president of the TS, including during the elections 
>and its aftermath? and (d) since we are all supposed to be intelligent, 
>thinking, rational individuals, why, even when the corruption rampant in Adyar 
>is brought to everyone's attention, are we allowing Mrs Burnier to rule our 
>hearts and minds?
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>>> > > > > >> >Preethi
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>>> > > > > >> >--- On Sat, 20/6/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com> wrote:
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>>> > > > > >> >From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com>
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>>> > > > > >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
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>>> > > > > >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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>>> > > > > >> >Date: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 1:16 AM
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>>> > > > > >> >Cleansing is needed more urgently in the West, IMHO. Have 
>we forgotten last
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>>> > > > > >> >year's failed ultra secret attempt to disenfranchise all of 
>us and handdful
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>>> > > > > >> >of GC members seize power to "appoint" the president, thus 
>make the
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>>> > > > > >> >president a puppet in their hands?
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>>> > > > > >> >MKR
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>>> > > > > >> >Visit www.theosophy. net
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>>> > > > > >> >On 6/16/09, preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com> 
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>>> > > > > >> >> Hi all,
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>>> > > > > >> >> Am glad we are looking into cleansing here. Cleansing is 
>what the TS and
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>>> > > > > >> >> especially its heart, Adyar, requires today...and it is 
>we who need to do
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>>> > > > > >> >> the cleansing... We members of the Theosophical Society. 
>Would you like to
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>>> > > > > >> >> --- On Mon, 15/6/09, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. 
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>>> > > > > >> >> From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com <silva_cass% 
>40yahoo.com> >
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>>> > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
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>>> > > > > >> >> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 
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>>> > > > > >> >> Date: Monday, 15 June, 2009, 7:06 AM
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>>> > > > > >> >> Only that the smoke from sage cleanses negative spirits?
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>>> > > > > >> >> >With all the bad entities operating around us and 
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>>> > > > > >> >> >HSO mentioned that before he and HPB took residence 
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>>> > > > > >> >> >influences etc. before they moved in. When the cleansing 
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