Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00646)

If they do it might be with flamethrowers.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 6/28/2009 8:32:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:

 
 


Perhaps Adyar is getting ready to announce that the Masters have returned  
to Adyar????

lol

Cass

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>From: robertapimenta26  <_robertapimenta26@robertapi_ 
(mailto:robertapimenta26@yahoo.com) >
>To:  _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
>Sent:  Monday, 29 June, 2009 7:28:09 AM
>Subject: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of  bad influences
>
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>Dear Mr. Keith  Fisher, 
>
>Your very bold statements have made a deep impression  on me, and the rest 
of the (theosophical) world.
>
>I respect you,  hold no grievances against you and although we've never 
met, I am certain that  you are a good and honest man. 
>
>Am very intrigued about your  remark concerning 'the spiritual forces 
taking control of the situation'  though. Next to that, you really puzzle me 
with this 'head on the block',  phrase, mine, probably be next. 
>
>Is it possible that your head  was there first of all, I mean before Mrs. 
Preethi's or mine, because you  really seem to have lost yours...
>
>Unfortunately, if that is not  enough, you want me to return to Spain to 
'fight bulls'. *(???)  
>
>Dear Mr. Keith Fisher, I haven't got a clue what you are  talking 
about...(??? ?) 
>
>Roberta
>
>--- In  theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "keith_fisher@ ..." <exsecy@...>  
wrote:
>>
>> Dear Roberta
>> 
>> It would  be nice to think that you wasn't misinformed, Adyar needs 
>> to be  purged of all those who are prejudice or hold a grudge against 
>>  the duly elected President before regeneration can start. However,  
>> spiritual forces seem to be taking control of the situation  now.
>> 
>> Sadly, Preethi has placed her own head on the  block and you will 
>> probably be next, you could go back to Spain  and fight a few bulls!
>> 
>> I wish you well
>>  Keith
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --- In  theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robertapimenta26" 
<robertapimenta26@ >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Mr. Fisher,
>> >  
>> > Good to hear from you. Time will tell, Mr. Fisher, only time  will 
tell if I was totally misinformed. 
>> > 
>> >  Roberta
>> > 
>> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com,  "keith_fisher@ " <exsecy@> wrote:
>> > >
>> >  > Dear Roberta
>> > > 
>> > > Although you  are claiming to be a non-member, you seem 
>> > > to have  knowledge not only of the Adyar TS and estate, but 
>> > > also  the ES and Co-M as well. However, I think you have 
>> > > been  totally misinformed on both of the points you have raised, 
>> >  > in the six months I was at Adyar, until the end of February this  
>> > > year, I witnessed an enormous amount of maintenance  being 
>> > > carried out on the estate. 
>> > >  
>> > > Large buildings like the Blavatsky Bungalow and the  
>> > > Administration Building had been completely renovated  with 
>> > > new roofing and toilet facilities. Many of the  other smaller 
>> > > buildings were in the process of  renovation or repairs and the 
>> > > General Manager was run  off his feet trying to keep up with 
>> > > the work of  overseeing the contractors.
>> > > 
>> > > There  was also major works being undertaken by the Garden 
>> > >  Department, mechanization had started to be introduced and 
>> >  > vast areas of scrub had been cleared, the coconut palms had 
>>  > > been mulched with crushed coconut husks and drip watering  
>> > > systems were being installed. Although this is an  extensive 
>> > > estate the Garden Department seemed to be  gradually making 
>> > > improvements throughout the compound,  and the whole of the 
>> > > estate was visibly greatly  improved.
>> > > 
>> > > On your second point,  although I worked closely with the 
>> > > President for six  months I was never aware of any secret 
>> > > attempt to `do  away with' any member who was prejudice 
>> > > against her. In  fact it was quite the opposite, out of the three 
>> > > Adyar  workers who interfered with the Presidential election 
>> > >  by having the audacity to write a letter to the General Council 
>>  > > members advising them that the President was not fit and  
>> > > should not be nominated, only one of them was asked to  leave. 
>> > > 
>> > > Another of the workers  left of her own volition eight months 
>> > > later, and one of  them is still allowed to be a resident on the 
>> > > Adyar  estate, enjoying spacious, private accommodation at a 
>> > >  near peppercorn rental, in a tranquil setting amid beautiful trees  
>> > > and tropical greenery, backing onto the Adyar  river.
>> > > 
>> > > I would think this is a  good indication of the President's grace,
>> > > and her  compassion for those who have plotted against her.
>> > >  
>> > > Keith
>> > > 
>> > >  
>> > > 
>> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro  ups.com, "robertapimenta26" 
<robertapimenta26@ > wrote:
>> >  > >
>> > > > Dear Mr. Rozman,
>> > >  > 
>> > > > The silence from the International President  (Adyar) is 
significant, but not surprising. Some individuals are doing the  talking for her, 
like Mr. Pedro Oliveira, who according to some messages I  received is 
travelling through Europe at the moment. There are alarming  stories going round and 
they point to two main issues: 1) the adminstration of  the Adyar estate 
itself, the contribution of Mrs. Preethi was an example and  2) a secret 
attempt by the International President to do away with all those  who believe 
that she cannot fulfil her office as International President any  longer. Mind 
you, these are, for as far as I am concerned only rumours, don't  want to 
speculate, but does any of you contributors know more about this?  
>> > > > 
>> > > > Roberta
>>  > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anton Rozman"  
<anton_rozman@ > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> >  > > > Cass,
>> > > > > 
>> > >  > > We are all missing the "word of the President", addressing this 
 critical situation, proposing solutions, indicating the way out. Is not 
this  silence possibly crying out that maybe she is not in a position to speak 
on  her own any more?
>> > > > > 
>> > > >  > Best regards,
>> > > > > Anton
>> > >  > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > >  --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ >  
wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >  > I don't hear any cries of helplessness coming from Ms Burnier 
unless of  course she is hoping that the bad publicity will go away?
>> >  > > > > 
>> > > > > > Cass
>>  > > > > > 
>> > > > > > 
>>  > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >From:  Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@ >
>> > > > > >  >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>> > > > > >  >Sent: Sunday, 21 June, 2009 2:45:39 PM
>> > > > >  > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
>> >  > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >
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>> > > > >  > >Dear Cass,
>> > > > > > >
>> >  > > > > >Every patient wants to be cured. Resistance is just  sign of 
deep helplessness and is actually cry for help. The only remedy is  truth 
of facts which can be very painful, so that some would rather die than  
expose it. But in this situation we are all patients and we can cure ourselves  
only with mutual help and humility. No one is above the situation, no one is  
without guilt. We all allowed it to happen, some more and some less. We are 
 all in the same boat.
>> > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > >Best regards,
>> > > > >  > >Anton
>> > > > > > >
>> > >  > > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva  <silva_cass@ 
...> wrote:
>> > > > > >  >>
>> > > > > > >> Anton, the patient must  want to be cured before any 
healing can take place!
>> > > >  > > >> 
>> > > > > > >>  Cass
>> > > > > > >> 
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>> > > > > > >>  >From: preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@ ...>
>> > >  > > > >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>> >  > > > > >> >Sent: Saturday, 20 June, 2009 6:29:35  PM
>> > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World  Cleansing of bad influences
>> > > > > > >>  >
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>> > >  > > > >> >Hi MKR,
>> > > > > >  >> >
>> > > > > > >> >If i could put  it more appropriately cleansing is needed 
overall, but instead of harping on  about the "secret disenfranchising 
attempt made by some of the General  Secretaries -- which i understand was just a 
suggestion rather than a  finalized move -- one needs to look at the 
reasons why this suggestion was  even thought about". In treating a disease, one 
can either look at the  symptoms or at the root cause.
>> > > > > > >>  >
>> > > > > > >> >If you start looking at  the root cause of this whole 
problem you will, willy-nilly, trace it back to  the ineffective leadership of 
the current international president (which she  has been over the past 29 
years), Mrs Radha Burnier and the policies she uses  to "rule".
>> > > > > > >> >
>> >  > > > > >> >One will also notice, if one is perceptive,  that the 
attempt from Mrs Burnier's lobbyists has always been to look at the  symptoms 
and focus attention there, rather than to look at the root cause of  this 
whole division in the TS.
>> > > > > > >>  >
>> > > > > > >> >One can then look at  some of these things deeply and 
question them or ponder over them: (a) What is  all this fear doing in an 
organization that has altruism as its ideal; (b) Why  does the leader of this 
organization initiate gossip and why has she never  thought about the 
deep-seated effects this kind of behaviour will generate  among members; (c) One would 
expect the head of a spiritual organization to  have insight into human 
nature. Why  has this aspect of Mrs Burnier never  found expression even though 
opportunities for this insight and resultant  understanding were present 
throughout her career as president of the TS,  including during the elections 
and its aftermath? and (d) since we are all  supposed to be intelligent, 
thinking, rational individuals, why, even when the  corruption rampant in Adyar 
is brought to everyone's attention, are we  allowing Mrs Burnier to rule 
our hearts and minds?
>> > > >  > > >> >
>> > > > > > >>  >Preethi
>> > > > > > >> >
>>  > > > > > >> >--- On Sat, 20/6/09, MKR  <mkr777@gmail. com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >>  >
>> > > > > > >> >From: MKR  <mkr777@gmail. com>
>> > > > > > >>  >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
>> > >  > > > >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>> >  > > > > >> >Date: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 1:16  AM
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > >  > > > >> >Cleansing is needed more urgently in the West,  IMHO. 
Have we forgotten last
>> > > > > > >>  >
>> > > > > > >> >year's failed ultra  secret attempt to disenfranchise all 
of us and handdful
>> > >  > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >>  >of GC members seize power to "appoint" the president, 
thus make  the
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > >  > > > >> >president a puppet in their hands?
>>  > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >  >> >MKR
>> > > > > > >>  >
>> > > > > > >> >Visit www.theosophy.  net
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > >  > > > >> >On 6/16/09, preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@  yahoo.com> 
wrote:
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>> > > > > >  >> >> Hi all,
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>> > > > > >  >> >> Am glad we are looking into cleansing here. Cleansing 
is  what the TS and
>> > > > > > >> >
>>  > > > > > >> >> especially its heart, Adyar,  requires today...and it 
is we who need to do
>> > > > >  > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >> the  cleansing... We members of the Theosophical 
Society. Would you like  to
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > >  > > > >> >> join me?
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>> >  > > > > >> >> Preethi
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>> >  > > > > >> >> --- On Mon, 15/6/09, Cass Silva  <silva_cass@ yahoo. 
com<silva_cass% 40yahoo.com> >
>>  > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >  >> >> wrote:
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>> > > > > >  >> >> From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com <silva_cass%  
40yahoo.com> >
>> > > > > > >>  >
>> > > > > > >> >> Subject: Re:  Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
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>> > > > > > >> >> To:  theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 
40yahoogroups. com>
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>> > > > > >  >> >> Date: Monday, 15 June, 2009, 7:06 AM
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>> >  > > > > >> >> Only that the smoke from sage cleanses  negative 
spirits?
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>> > > > > > >> >> >To: theos-talk  <theos-talk@ yahoogro ups.com>
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>> >  > > > > >> >> >With all the bad entities operating  around us and 
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>> >  > > > > >> >> >HSO mentioned that before he and HPB  took residence 
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>> > > > > > >> >>  >influences etc. before they moved in. When the 
cleansing was done,  the
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>> >  > > > > >> >> >was vacated of everyone. It has been  reported that 
similar cleansing was
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>> >  > > > > >> >> >done by Jiddu  Krishnamurti.
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