Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00635)

Hi MKR, I thought theos L died a natural death.  It was started for those who were not thoroughly immersed in the political situation and I gained much from it.  I never receive any postings from it.
Cass


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>From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, 28 June, 2009 11:59:50 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Dirty Tricks update
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>Eric: Here is a summary of the resources and the current situation. I hope
>it helps.
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>MKR
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>THEOSOPHICAL MAILLISTS & COMMUNITY SITE
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>There are only two theosophical maillists - theos-talk and theos-L, both at
>yahoo groups - which are independent of all organizations and are
>unmoderated. There is also a ning communit site at www.theosophy. net, which
>is also independent of all organizations. These resources are used by
>"theosophists" who belong to organizations as well as those who do not
>belong to any. Hence, there is free exchange of ideas and discussion on
>varied matters in these sites without interference from organizations which
>have their own vested interests. So, when a "theosophist" is looking for
>help or information, these are places to go to.
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>CURRENT SITUATION IN TS-ADYAR
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>Any newbee visitor to theos-talk in recent months would be wondering why
>there is so much traffic on TS organizational matters on theos-talk. This
>needs explanation. Since early last year, TS has faced a crisis like of
>which no one has ever seen in last more than 50 - 75 years. It is also more
>serious than the Coloumb crisis which shook the TS in its foundations. So
>for newbees, some background information is needed.
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>The crisis started with the election of International President.
>International President candidates are nominated by the members of the
>General Council which consists of the National Secretaries, ex-officio
>members and nominated members. Once nomination is done, members world-wide
>cast their votes and winner is determined.
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>In the current election, there were two candidates; current president and
>another candidate. Many GC members who was opposed to election of the
>current president, tried to sway the election by alleging that the president
>is sick mentally and physically and hence should be defeated. However, three
>well known and highly regarded physicians from three continents found her
>fit, both mentally and physically and she was elected with a wide margin.
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>The matter would have ended with election and TS would have gone on its way
>to fulfill its mission - spreading theosophy. It was not to be. Soon after
>the election, members were shocked to learn of a ultra secret move by a
>handful of GC members, which included the defeated candidate, to change the
>rules of TS, to disenfranchise all the members and seize the power to
>appoint the president. Already GC has the monopoly to nominate the
>presidential candidates and not satisfied with it, the move was in effect to
>monopolize the appointment of the president, by disenfranchising the
>members. Many members were in shock and dismay that their leaders would even
>dream of disenfranchisement. This was also seen by many as an end-run
>reaction after losing the election. After public disclosure and member
>reaction, it has not moved forward so far. In the minds of many members,
>this incident also diminished the trust members had in their leaders.
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>In any organization, such as TS, unity of purpose and cooperation is
>essential for the growth. The GC meeting held in December 2008, revealed a
>deep cleavage between two groups of members and this was displayed by the
>pattern of voting in the GC meeting.
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>So in the above circumstances, members are alert and vigilant as the do not
>know what to expect next from their leaders.
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>THEOS-TALK
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>Much of the current discussion on organizational and some philosophical
>matters take place here. This is the only forum where free discussion can
>take place without organizational intereference. But for the disclosure of
>the disenfranchisement move in this list, the disenfranchisement would have
>been a fait accompli and TS would have changed topsy turvy by now. I am sure
>there are some unhappy campers on this issue.
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>THEOS-L
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>This is the second maillist which is not controlled by any organization.
>Much of the traffic on this list deal with theosophical and philosophical
>matters and occassionally you will see other matters discussed. It has a
>much smaller circulation.
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>THEOSOPHICAL NING SITE
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>The theosophical ning site at www.theosophy. net, is the newest online forum
>to interact with others interested in theosophy and allied matters. It is
>also independent and not controlled by any organization.
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>Many of us participate in all of the above and the trick in participation is
>to post a question or request for help or information and usually, you get
>quick responses. So it is upto us, the participants, to keep the sites
>active and make use of it.
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>MKR
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>Visit www.theosophy. net and enjoy.
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>On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Eric S. Dye <brainspeaks@ gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hello Folks,
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>> Although I have been a member of this list for 9 months or so, I had no
>> access to it for 8 months. When I joined the list, I posted something
>> about Alice Bailey, got a negative post from someone and then a kind
>> post from MKR. I have been a Theosophical student for 35 years, not
>> necessarily a Theosophist in the political end of it, but in the living
>> the life of.......... . I am wondering if there is ever any discussion of
>> Theosophical precepts and the life teachings of Theosophy in addition to
>> the politics in Adyar. Now that I have become an active member again (as
>> of today), I do wonder if Theosophy as a "way of life" is ever discussed
>> or if this list is designed around the politics in India. That is
>> interesting to a degree, but I think it gets "stale" after awhile.Thanks
>>
>> Eric S. Dye, brainspeaks@ gmail.com <brainspeaks% 40gmail.com>
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>> MKR wrote:
>> > The individual was from Chicago according to the profile. I hope at the
>> end
>> > of the detective work, someone is going have a virtual pie in their face
>> if
>> > another person was behind the trick!!!
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>> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:35 PM, <Drpsionic@aol. com<Drpsionic%40aol. com>>
>> wrote:
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>> >> I wonder if I should start wearing a mask with a new avatar to confuse
>> >> them. After all, two can play at that game.
>> >>
>> >> Chuck the Heretic
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>> >> In a message dated 6/27/2009 8:06:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> >> mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com> <mkr777%40gmail. com> writes:
>> >>
>> >> The participant in the ning community who posted a doctored document and
>> >> when questioned, signed off quickly and left. Many participants now feel
>> >> that the person was masquerading using a pseudonym.
>> >> .
>> >> Based on past experience of some of the participants here, the
>> masqueraders
>> >> are de-masked and publicly embarrassed in time.
>> >> .
>> >> Vigilancy of participants seems to be a solution to prevent masqueraders
>> >> causing trouble.
>> >> .
>> >> .
>> >> MKR
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>> >> PS: This may not be the last of masqueraders; do not be surprised if we
>> run
>> >> into them in the future.
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