Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
Jun 28, 2009 09:22 PM
by Augoeides-222
Cass,
In a pigs eye! When hell freezes over! lol! having toosed out the only solitary Agent of the Brotherhood on her ass without means or notice and having told the Solitary Agent of the Brotherhood that she was no longer welcome on that soil of Adyar who in their right mind could beleive that the Mahatma's and the Hierarchy would remain for a single second?
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@yahoo.com>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:31:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
Perhaps Adyar is getting ready to announce that the Masters have returned to Adyar????
lol
Cass
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>From: robertapimenta26 < robertapimenta26@yahoo.com >
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, 29 June, 2009 7:28:09 AM
>Subject: Theos-World Re: Cleansing of bad influences
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>Dear Mr. Keith Fisher,
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>Your very bold statements have made a deep impression on me, and the rest of the (theosophical) world.
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>I respect you, hold no grievances against you and although we've never met, I am certain that you are a good and honest man.
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>Am very intrigued about your remark concerning 'the spiritual forces taking control of the situation' though. Next to that, you really puzzle me with this 'head on the block', phrase, mine, probably be next.
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>Is it possible that your head was there first of all, I mean before Mrs. Preethi's or mine, because you really seem to have lost yours...
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>Unfortunately, if that is not enough, you want me to return to Spain to 'fight bulls'. *(???)
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>Dear Mr. Keith Fisher, I haven't got a clue what you are talking about...(??? ?)
>
>Roberta
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>--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "keith_fisher@ ..." <exsecy@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Roberta
>>
>> It would be nice to think that you wasn't misinformed, Adyar needs
>> to be purged of all those who are prejudice or hold a grudge against
>> the duly elected President before regeneration can start. However,
>> spiritual forces seem to be taking control of the situation now.
>>
>> Sadly, Preethi has placed her own head on the block and you will
>> probably be next, you could go back to Spain and fight a few bulls!
>>
>> I wish you well
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robertapimenta26" <robertapimenta26@ > wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Mr. Fisher,
>> >
>> > Good to hear from you. Time will tell, Mr. Fisher, only time will tell if I was totally misinformed.
>> >
>> > Roberta
>> >
>> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "keith_fisher@ " <exsecy@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Dear Roberta
>> > >
>> > > Although you are claiming to be a non-member, you seem
>> > > to have knowledge not only of the Adyar TS and estate, but
>> > > also the ES and Co-M as well. However, I think you have
>> > > been totally misinformed on both of the points you have raised,
>> > > in the six months I was at Adyar, until the end of February this
>> > > year, I witnessed an enormous amount of maintenance being
>> > > carried out on the estate.
>> > >
>> > > Large buildings like the Blavatsky Bungalow and the
>> > > Administration Building had been completely renovated with
>> > > new roofing and toilet facilities. Many of the other smaller
>> > > buildings were in the process of renovation or repairs and the
>> > > General Manager was run off his feet trying to keep up with
>> > > the work of overseeing the contractors.
>> > >
>> > > There was also major works being undertaken by the Garden
>> > > Department, mechanization had started to be introduced and
>> > > vast areas of scrub had been cleared, the coconut palms had
>> > > been mulched with crushed coconut husks and drip watering
>> > > systems were being installed. Although this is an extensive
>> > > estate the Garden Department seemed to be gradually making
>> > > improvements throughout the compound, and the whole of the
>> > > estate was visibly greatly improved.
>> > >
>> > > On your second point, although I worked closely with the
>> > > President for six months I was never aware of any secret
>> > > attempt to `do away with' any member who was prejudice
>> > > against her. In fact it was quite the opposite, out of the three
>> > > Adyar workers who interfered with the Presidential election
>> > > by having the audacity to write a letter to the General Council
>> > > members advising them that the President was not fit and
>> > > should not be nominated, only one of them was asked to leave.
>> > >
>> > > Another of the workers left of her own volition eight months
>> > > later, and one of them is still allowed to be a resident on the
>> > > Adyar estate, enjoying spacious, private accommodation at a
>> > > near peppercorn rental, in a tranquil setting amid beautiful trees
>> > > and tropical greenery, backing onto the Adyar river.
>> > >
>> > > I would think this is a good indication of the President's grace,
>> > > and her compassion for those who have plotted against her.
>> > >
>> > > Keith
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robertapimenta26" <robertapimenta26@ > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Dear Mr. Rozman,
>> > > >
>> > > > The silence from the International President (Adyar) is significant, but not surprising. Some individuals are doing the talking for her, like Mr. Pedro Oliveira, who according to some messages I received is travelling through Europe at the moment. There are alarming stories going round and they point to two main issues: 1) the adminstration of the Adyar estate itself, the contribution of Mrs. Preethi was an example and 2) a secret attempt by the International President to do away with all those who believe that she cannot fulfil her office as International President any longer. Mind you, these are, for as far as I am concerned only rumours, don't want to speculate, but does any of you contributors know more about this?
>> > > >
>> > > > Roberta
>> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@ > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cass,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > We are all missing the "word of the President", addressing this critical situation, proposing solutions, indicating the way out. Is not this silence possibly crying out that maybe she is not in a position to speak on her own any more?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Best regards,
>> > > > > Anton
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I don't hear any cries of helplessness coming from Ms Burnier unless of course she is hoping that the bad publicity will go away?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Cass
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>> > > > > > >From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@ >
>> > > > > > >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>> > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, 21 June, 2009 2:45:39 PM
>> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
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>> > > > > > >Dear Cass,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >Every patient wants to be cured. Resistance is just sign of deep helplessness and is actually cry for help. The only remedy is truth of facts which can be very painful, so that some would rather die than expose it. But in this situation we are all patients and we can cure ourselves only with mutual help and humility. No one is above the situation, no one is without guilt. We all allowed it to happen, some more and some less. We are all in the same boat.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >Best regards,
>> > > > > > >Anton
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ ...> wrote:
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Anton, the patient must want to be cured before any healing can take place!
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Cass
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>> > > > > > >> >From: preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@ ...>
>> > > > > > >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>> > > > > > >> >Sent: Saturday, 20 June, 2009 6:29:35 PM
>> > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
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>> > > > > > >> >Hi MKR,
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >If i could put it more appropriately cleansing is needed overall, but instead of harping on about the "secret disenfranchising attempt made by some of the General Secretaries -- which i understand was just a suggestion rather than a finalized move -- one needs to look at the reasons why this suggestion was even thought about". In treating a disease, one can either look at the symptoms or at the root cause.
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >If you start looking at the root cause of this whole problem you will, willy-nilly, trace it back to the ineffective leadership of the current international president (which she has been over the past 29 years), Mrs Radha Burnier and the policies she uses to "rule".
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >One will also notice, if one is perceptive, that the attempt from Mrs Burnier's lobbyists has always been to look at the symptoms and focus attention there, rather than to look at the root cause of this whole division in the TS.
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >One can then look at some of these things deeply and question them or ponder over them: (a) What is all this fear doing in an organization that has altruism as its ideal; (b) Why does the leader of this organization initiate gossip and why has she never thought about the deep-seated effects this kind of behaviour will generate among members; (c) One would expect the head of a spiritual organization to have insight into human nature. Why has this aspect of Mrs Burnier never found expression even though opportunities for this insight and resultant understanding were present throughout her career as president of the TS, including during the elections and its aftermath? and (d) since we are all supposed to be intelligent, thinking, rational individuals, why, even when the corruption rampant in Adyar is brought to everyone's attention, are we allowing Mrs Burnier to rule our hearts and minds?
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >Preethi
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >--- On Sat, 20/6/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com>
>> > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
>> > > > > > >> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>> > > > > > >> >Date: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 1:16 AM
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >Cleansing is needed more urgently in the West, IMHO. Have we forgotten last
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >year's failed ultra secret attempt to disenfranchise all of us and handdful
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >of GC members seize power to "appoint" the president, thus make the
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >president a puppet in their hands?
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >MKR
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >Visit www.theosophy. net
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >On 6/16/09, preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> > > > > > >> >> Hi all,
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>> > > > > > >> >> Am glad we are looking into cleansing here. Cleansing is what the TS and
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >> especially its heart, Adyar, requires today...and it is we who need to do
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >> the cleansing... We members of the Theosophical Society. Would you like to
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> >> join me?
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>> > > > > > >> >> Preethi
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>> > > > > > >> >> --- On Mon, 15/6/09, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com<silva_cass% 40yahoo.com> >
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>> > > > > > >> >> From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@ yahoo. com <silva_cass% 40yahoo.com> >
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>> > > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: Theos-World Cleansing of bad influences
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>> > > > > > >> >> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
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>> > > > > > >> >> Date: Monday, 15 June, 2009, 7:06 AM
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>> > > > > > >> >> Only that the smoke from sage cleanses negative spirits?
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>> > > > > > >> >> >HSO mentioned that before he and HPB took residence anywhere, it was
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>> > > > > > >> >> >approved by a Brother or Brothers and it was cleansed of undesirable
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>> > > > > > >> >> >influences etc. before they moved in. When the cleansing was done, the
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>> > > > > > >> >> >was vacated of everyone. It has been reported that similar cleansing was
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