Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00639)

can you please send the link?
Thanks
Cass


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>From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, 29 June, 2009 12:16:57 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Dirty Tricks update
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>It is well and alive in its new incarnation at yahoo.groups. Sign up. Also
>the archives can be browsed.
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>MKR
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>On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo. com> wrote:
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>> Hi MKR, I thought theos L died a natural death. It was started for those
>> who were not thoroughly immersed in the political situation and I gained
>> much from it. I never receive any postings from it.
>> Cass
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>> >From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
>> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
>> >Sent: Sunday, 28 June, 2009 11:59:50 PM
>> >Subject: Re: Theos-World Dirty Tricks update
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >Eric: Here is a summary of the resources and the current situation. I hope
>> >it helps.
>> >.
>> >MKR
>> >.
>> >+++---+++-- - +++---+++
>> >THEOSOPHICAL MAILLISTS & COMMUNITY SITE
>> >.
>> >There are only two theosophical maillists - theos-talk and theos-L, both
>> at
>> >yahoo groups - which are independent of all organizations and are
>> >unmoderated. There is also a ning communit site at www.theosophy. net,
>> which
>> >is also independent of all organizations. These resources are used by
>> >"theosophists" who belong to organizations as well as those who do not
>> >belong to any. Hence, there is free exchange of ideas and discussion on
>> >varied matters in these sites without interference from organizations
>> which
>> >have their own vested interests. So, when a "theosophist" is looking for
>> >help or information, these are places to go to.
>> >.
>> >CURRENT SITUATION IN TS-ADYAR
>> >.
>> >Any newbee visitor to theos-talk in recent months would be wondering why
>> >there is so much traffic on TS organizational matters on theos-talk. This
>> >needs explanation. Since early last year, TS has faced a crisis like of
>> >which no one has ever seen in last more than 50 - 75 years. It is also
>> more
>> >serious than the Coloumb crisis which shook the TS in its foundations. So
>> >for newbees, some background information is needed.
>> >.
>> >The crisis started with the election of International President.
>> >International President candidates are nominated by the members of the
>> >General Council which consists of the National Secretaries, ex-officio
>> >members and nominated members. Once nomination is done, members world-wide
>> >cast their votes and winner is determined.
>> >.
>> >In the current election, there were two candidates; current president and
>> >another candidate. Many GC members who was opposed to election of the
>> >current president, tried to sway the election by alleging that the
>> president
>> >is sick mentally and physically and hence should be defeated. However,
>> three
>> >well known and highly regarded physicians from three continents found her
>> >fit, both mentally and physically and she was elected with a wide margin.
>> >.
>> >The matter would have ended with election and TS would have gone on its
>> way
>> >to fulfill its mission - spreading theosophy. It was not to be. Soon after
>> >the election, members were shocked to learn of a ultra secret move by a
>> >handful of GC members, which included the defeated candidate, to change
>> the
>> >rules of TS, to disenfranchise all the members and seize the power to
>> >appoint the president. Already GC has the monopoly to nominate the
>> >presidential candidates and not satisfied with it, the move was in effect
>> to
>> >monopolize the appointment of the president, by disenfranchising the
>> >members. Many members were in shock and dismay that their leaders would
>> even
>> >dream of disenfranchisement. This was also seen by many as an end-run
>> >reaction after losing the election. After public disclosure and member
>> >reaction, it has not moved forward so far. In the minds of many members,
>> >this incident also diminished the trust members had in their leaders.
>> >.
>> >In any organization, such as TS, unity of purpose and cooperation is
>> >essential for the growth. The GC meeting held in December 2008, revealed a
>> >deep cleavage between two groups of members and this was displayed by the
>> >pattern of voting in the GC meeting.
>> >.
>> >So in the above circumstances, members are alert and vigilant as the do
>> not
>> >know what to expect next from their leaders.
>> >.
>> >THEOS-TALK
>> >.
>> >Much of the current discussion on organizational and some philosophical
>> >matters take place here. This is the only forum where free discussion can
>> >take place without organizational intereference. But for the disclosure of
>> >the disenfranchisement move in this list, the disenfranchisement would
>> have
>> >been a fait accompli and TS would have changed topsy turvy by now. I am
>> sure
>> >there are some unhappy campers on this issue.
>> >.
>> >THEOS-L
>> >.
>> >This is the second maillist which is not controlled by any organization.
>> >Much of the traffic on this list deal with theosophical and philosophical
>> >matters and occassionally you will see other matters discussed. It has a
>> >much smaller circulation.
>> >.
>> >THEOSOPHICAL NING SITE
>> >.
>> >The theosophical ning site at www.theosophy. net, is the newest online
>> forum
>> >to interact with others interested in theosophy and allied matters. It is
>> >also independent and not controlled by any organization.
>> >.
>> >Many of us participate in all of the above and the trick in participation
>> is
>> >to post a question or request for help or information and usually, you get
>> >quick responses. So it is upto us, the participants, to keep the sites
>> >active and make use of it.
>> >.
>> >MKR
>> >.
>> >Visit www.theosophy. net and enjoy.
>> >
>> >On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Eric S. Dye <brainspeaks@ gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> Hello Folks,
>> >>
>> >> Although I have been a member of this list for 9 months or so, I had no
>> >> access to it for 8 months. When I joined the list, I posted something
>> >> about Alice Bailey, got a negative post from someone and then a kind
>> >> post from MKR. I have been a Theosophical student for 35 years, not
>> >> necessarily a Theosophist in the political end of it, but in the living
>> >> the life of.......... . I am wondering if there is ever any discussion
>> of
>> >> Theosophical precepts and the life teachings of Theosophy in addition to
>> >> the politics in Adyar. Now that I have become an active member again (as
>> >> of today), I do wonder if Theosophy as a "way of life" is ever discussed
>> >> or if this list is designed around the politics in India. That is
>> >> interesting to a degree, but I think it gets "stale" after awhile.Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Eric S. Dye, brainspeaks@ gmail.com <brainspeaks% 40gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> MKR wrote:
>> >> > The individual was from Chicago according to the profile. I hope at
>> the
>> >> end
>> >> > of the detective work, someone is going have a virtual pie in their
>> face
>> >> if
>> >> > another person was behind the trick!!!
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:35 PM, <Drpsionic@aol. com<Drpsionic%40aol. com>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I wonder if I should start wearing a mask with a new avatar to
>> confuse
>> >> >> them. After all, two can play at that game.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chuck the Heretic
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In a message dated 6/27/2009 8:06:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> >> >> mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com> <mkr777%40gmail. com>
>> writes:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The participant in the ning community who posted a doctored document
>> and
>> >> >> when questioned, signed off quickly and left. Many participants now
>> feel
>> >> >> that the person was masquerading using a pseudonym.
>> >> >> .
>> >> >> Based on past experience of some of the participants here, the
>> >> masqueraders
>> >> >> are de-masked and publicly embarrassed in time.
>> >> >> .
>> >> >> Vigilancy of participants seems to be a solution to prevent
>> masqueraders
>> >> >> causing trouble.
>> >> >> .
>> >> >> .
>> >> >> MKR
>> >> >> .
>> >> >> PS: This may not be the last of masqueraders; do not be surprised if
>> we
>> >> run
>> >> >> into them in the future.
>> >> >>
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>> >> Our deeper understanding leads us to another kind of power, a power that
>> >> loves
>> >> life in every form that it appears, a power that does not judge what it
>> >> encounters, a power that perceives meaningfulness and purpose in the
>> >> smallest
>> >> details upon the Earth. p.26
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>> >> Our deeper understanding tells us that a truly evolved being is one that
>> >> values
>> >> others more than it values itself, and that values love more than it
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>> >> physical world and what is in it. p.21
>> >>
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