Theos-Talk Archives (June 1998 Message tt00363)

Dallas,

I'm pretty sure it was in one of
Alice Cleather's books.  At least
that's where I read it.  Probably in
the book of her reminiscenses of HPB called
*H.P. Blavatsky as I Knew Her.* When I get
the time I will look it up.

Daniel

W. Dallas TenBroeck wrote:
>
> June 15th 1998
>
> Dan:
>
> Wasn't there a report during HPB's life time of a photograph
> taken of the "inner room" at Avenue Rd., in London, after its
> completion. which showed up in one of the upper corners, the face
> of a 'visiting adept' -- and, when noticed, it was explained that
> he was "visiting" to have a look at the "room" and was somewhat
> rueful about being  "caught" on the exposed film, as apparently a
> photograph also looks part way into the astral ?
>
> I recall reading this but at this moment I do not know where, nor
> do I recall where I could look for it.        Dal.
>
> ============================================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Daniel H Caldwell" <blafoun@azstarnet.com>
> Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 10:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Dr. Bain and "Real Evidence"
>
> >Dr. A.M.Bain wrote:
> >
> >> At least a photo of HPB with a Mahatma. Maybe a picture of the
> Great
> >> Brotherhood.  Testimony from others who could confirm from
> their own
> >> experience that what she said was also what they found.
> >
> >Daniel Caldwell replies:
> >
> >We have the testimony of *more than 25 individuals* during
> Madame
> >Blavatsky's
> >lifetime who said that they had met H.P.B's Adept Teachers.  See
> my
> >article at:
> >
> >http://www.azstarnet.com/~blafoun/johnargu.htm#Appendix
> >
> >This appendix gives the first hand accounts of H.S. Olcott.  I
> have a
> >huge file of the other testimonies.
> >
> >Dr. Bain continues:
> >
> >> In all my reading, I have not come across references to Great
> White
> >> Brotherhoods (or Great Black ones for that matter) which
> pre-dates
> >> HPB.
> >
> >So?  Using this kind of reasoning & argument, we could rule out
> many
> >different
> >kinds of things. But the real question to answer is what is the
> evidence
> >for HPB's Masters and *how good is it*?
> >
> >Do you believe in the existence of Jesus Christ? Regarding
> Jesus,
> >as far as I know we have no first hand accounts about him; only
> >secondary accounts written by unknown authors who
> >compiled various materials from an oral tradition, etc., etc.
> >If you have any first hand, eyewitness accounts of Jesus,
> >please let me know.
> >
> >With HPB's Masters, we have plenty of eyewitness
> >accounts. Even K. Paul Johnson is convinced of the existence of
> Ooton
> >Liatto and another adept.  He writes on p. 62 of THE MASTERS
> REVEALED:
> >
> >". . . . There is little doubt that two REAL adepts visited
> Olcott in
> >New York."
> >
> >And elsewhere Johnson admits:
> >
> >"There were two points in the history of the TS at which the
> Masters
> >Morya and Koot Hoomi appeared as solid historical personages
> rather than
> >elusive semi-ethereal beings...."
> >
> >And Johnson's statements are based on the testimony of Olcott
> and other
> >Theosophical witnesses.
> >
> >Are you a "doubting Thomas" of Johnson's statements?  THIS COULD
> GET
> >INTERESTING!  :)
> >
> >And speaking of the Adept Brotherhood, in 1882, Colonel Olcott
> wrote:
> >
> >"I know the Brothers to be living men and not spirits; and they
> have
> >TOLD me that there are schools, under appointed adepts, where
> their
> >science is regularly taught."
> >
> >If you accept any of the Theosophical teachings, what is so
> >difficult in believing that there are Theosophical adepts,
> yogis,
> >call them what you will, and that they have their own schools
> and
> >communities?
> >
> >I have many friends who are *skeptics of Theosophy*, but they
> don't
> >believe
> >in Adepts plus they disbelieve all the rest of Theosophy, not to
> >mention the Kabbalah and all esoteric traditions, etc.,etc.
> >
> >In the above, I am not suggesting that one should naively accept
> the
> >evidence but it should be examined and studied and compared with
> other
> >types of evidence for other things. How good is the "evidence"
> for the
> >"paranormal" or "esoteric" items that you accept and believe in?
> >
> >I'm not trying to be difficult with you but simply asking you to
> >compare things, etc.
> >