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Re: Re: Dr. Bain and "Real Evidence"

Jun 15, 1998 08:26 PM
by M K Ramadoss

In "H P Blavatsky as I knew her", Alice Leighton Cleather writes:

"One rather interesting incident which occurred when the interior of the
Lecture Hall was being photographed is perhaps worth mentioning. When
the plate was developed a face appeared at a small upper window, or
transom, partly open, about ten or twelve feet from the ground, where no
human being could by any possibility have been standing, except on a
ladder, and there were none on the premises. What, or rather Who could
it be? The face was a distinguished-looking one, of an oval shape; that
of a man with a moustache and pointed beard. HPB soon solved the
mystery. It was the face of a Master known as "Hilarion," and she said
that while the photographer was still in the hall the Master had "looked
in on" her in her study, and had told her rather ruefully, that he had
"just been caught by the camera." I have a copy of the photograph, and
the face is perfectly distinct. Little things of this sort were of
common occurrence."

pp. 24/25

M K Ramadoss wrote:
> Dallas: You are right. It is mentioned in Cleather's book on HPB. Let me
> see if I can quickly find it.
> ...mkr
> At 10:35 AM 6/15/1998 -0700, you wrote:
> >June 15th 1998
> >
> >Dan:
> >
> >Wasn't there a report during HPB's life time of a photograph
> >taken of the "inner room" at Avenue Rd., in London, after its
> >completion. which showed up in one of the upper corners, the face
> >of a 'visiting adept' -- and, when noticed, it was explained that
> >he was "visiting" to have a look at the "room" and was somewhat
> >rueful about being  "caught" on the exposed film, as apparently a
> >photograph also looks part way into the astral ?
> >
> >I recall reading this but at this moment I do not know where, nor
> >do I recall where I could look for it.        Dal.
> >
> >From: "Daniel H Caldwell" <>
> >Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 10:02 PM
> >Subject: Re: Dr. Bain and "Real Evidence"
> >
> >>Dr. A.M.Bain wrote:
> >>
> >>> At least a photo of HPB with a Mahatma. Maybe a picture of the
> >Great
> >>> Brotherhood.  Testimony from others who could confirm from
> >their own
> >>> experience that what she said was also what they found.
> >>
> >>Daniel Caldwell replies:
> >>
> >>We have the testimony of *more than 25 individuals* during
> >Madame
> >>Blavatsky's
> >>lifetime who said that they had met H.P.B's Adept Teachers.  See
> >my
> >>article at:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>This appendix gives the first hand accounts of H.S. Olcott.  I
> >have a
> >>huge file of the other testimonies.
> >>
> >>Dr. Bain continues:
> >>
> >>> In all my reading, I have not come across references to Great
> >White
> >>> Brotherhoods (or Great Black ones for that matter) which
> >pre-dates
> >>> HPB.
> >>
> >>So?  Using this kind of reasoning & argument, we could rule out
> >many
> >>different
> >>kinds of things. But the real question to answer is what is the
> >evidence
> >>for HPB's Masters and *how good is it*?
> >>
> >>Do you believe in the existence of Jesus Christ? Regarding
> >Jesus,
> >>as far as I know we have no first hand accounts about him; only
> >>secondary accounts written by unknown authors who
> >>compiled various materials from an oral tradition, etc., etc.
> >>If you have any first hand, eyewitness accounts of Jesus,
> >>please let me know.
> >>
> >>With HPB's Masters, we have plenty of eyewitness
> >>accounts. Even K. Paul Johnson is convinced of the existence of
> >Ooton
> >>Liatto and another adept.  He writes on p. 62 of THE MASTERS
> >>
> >>". . . . There is little doubt that two REAL adepts visited
> >Olcott in
> >>New York."
> >>
> >>And elsewhere Johnson admits:
> >>
> >>"There were two points in the history of the TS at which the
> >Masters
> >>Morya and Koot Hoomi appeared as solid historical personages
> >rather than
> >>elusive semi-ethereal beings...."
> >>
> >>And Johnson's statements are based on the testimony of Olcott
> >and other
> >>Theosophical witnesses.
> >>
> >>Are you a "doubting Thomas" of Johnson's statements?  THIS COULD
> >GET
> >>
> >>And speaking of the Adept Brotherhood, in 1882, Colonel Olcott
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>"I know the Brothers to be living men and not spirits; and they
> >have
> >>TOLD me that there are schools, under appointed adepts, where
> >their
> >>science is regularly taught."
> >>
> >>If you accept any of the Theosophical teachings, what is so
> >>difficult in believing that there are Theosophical adepts,
> >yogis,
> >>call them what you will, and that they have their own schools
> >and
> >>communities?
> >>
> >>I have many friends who are *skeptics of Theosophy*, but they
> >don't
> >>believe
> >>in Adepts plus they disbelieve all the rest of Theosophy, not to
> >>mention the Kabbalah and all esoteric traditions, etc.,etc.
> >>
> >>In the above, I am not suggesting that one should naively accept
> >the
> >>evidence but it should be examined and studied and compared with
> >other
> >>types of evidence for other things. How good is the "evidence"
> >for the
> >>"paranormal" or "esoteric" items that you accept and believe in?
> >>
> >>I'm not trying to be difficult with you but simply asking you to
> >>compare things, etc.
> >>
> >
> >

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