Theos-Talk Archives (June 1998 Message tt00362)

Dallas: You are right. It is mentioned in Cleather's book on HPB. Let me
see if I can quickly find it.

...mkr

At 10:35 AM 6/15/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>June 15th 1998
>
>Dan:
>
>Wasn't there a report during HPB's life time of a photograph
>taken of the "inner room" at Avenue Rd., in London, after its
>completion. which showed up in one of the upper corners, the face
>of a 'visiting adept' -- and, when noticed, it was explained that
>he was "visiting" to have a look at the "room" and was somewhat
>rueful about being  "caught" on the exposed film, as apparently a
>photograph also looks part way into the astral ?
>
>I recall reading this but at this moment I do not know where, nor
>do I recall where I could look for it.        Dal.
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Daniel H Caldwell" <blafoun@azstarnet.com>
>Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 10:02 PM
>Subject: Re: Dr. Bain and "Real Evidence"
>
>
>>Dr. A.M.Bain wrote:
>>
>>> At least a photo of HPB with a Mahatma. Maybe a picture of the
>Great
>>> Brotherhood.  Testimony from others who could confirm from
>their own
>>> experience that what she said was also what they found.
>>
>>Daniel Caldwell replies:
>>
>>We have the testimony of *more than 25 individuals* during
>Madame
>>Blavatsky's
>>lifetime who said that they had met H.P.B's Adept Teachers.  See
>my
>>article at:
>>
>>http://www.azstarnet.com/~blafoun/johnargu.htm#Appendix
>>
>>This appendix gives the first hand accounts of H.S. Olcott.  I
>have a
>>huge file of the other testimonies.
>>
>>Dr. Bain continues:
>>
>>> In all my reading, I have not come across references to Great
>White
>>> Brotherhoods (or Great Black ones for that matter) which
>pre-dates
>>> HPB.
>>
>>So?  Using this kind of reasoning & argument, we could rule out
>many
>>different
>>kinds of things. But the real question to answer is what is the
>evidence
>>for HPB's Masters and *how good is it*?
>>
>>Do you believe in the existence of Jesus Christ? Regarding
>Jesus,
>>as far as I know we have no first hand accounts about him; only
>>secondary accounts written by unknown authors who
>>compiled various materials from an oral tradition, etc., etc.
>>If you have any first hand, eyewitness accounts of Jesus,
>>please let me know.
>>
>>With HPB's Masters, we have plenty of eyewitness
>>accounts. Even K. Paul Johnson is convinced of the existence of
>Ooton
>>Liatto and another adept.  He writes on p. 62 of THE MASTERS
>REVEALED:
>>
>>". . . . There is little doubt that two REAL adepts visited
>Olcott in
>>New York."
>>
>>And elsewhere Johnson admits:
>>
>>"There were two points in the history of the TS at which the
>Masters
>>Morya and Koot Hoomi appeared as solid historical personages
>rather than
>>elusive semi-ethereal beings...."
>>
>>And Johnson's statements are based on the testimony of Olcott
>and other
>>Theosophical witnesses.
>>
>>Are you a "doubting Thomas" of Johnson's statements?  THIS COULD
>GET
>>INTERESTING!  :)
>>
>>And speaking of the Adept Brotherhood, in 1882, Colonel Olcott
>wrote:
>>
>>"I know the Brothers to be living men and not spirits; and they
>have
>>TOLD me that there are schools, under appointed adepts, where
>their
>>science is regularly taught."
>>
>>If you accept any of the Theosophical teachings, what is so
>>difficult in believing that there are Theosophical adepts,
>yogis,
>>call them what you will, and that they have their own schools
>and
>>communities?
>>
>>I have many friends who are *skeptics of Theosophy*, but they
>don't
>>believe
>>in Adepts plus they disbelieve all the rest of Theosophy, not to
>>mention the Kabbalah and all esoteric traditions, etc.,etc.
>>
>>In the above, I am not suggesting that one should naively accept
>the
>>evidence but it should be examined and studied and compared with
>other
>>types of evidence for other things. How good is the "evidence"
>for the
>>"paranormal" or "esoteric" items that you accept and believe in?
>>
>>I'm not trying to be difficult with you but simply asking you to
>>compare things, etc.
>>
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