Theos-Talk Archives (June 1998 Message tt00354)

June 15th 1998

Dan:

Wasn't there a report during HPB's life time of a photograph
taken of the "inner room" at Avenue Rd., in London, after its
completion. which showed up in one of the upper corners, the face
of a 'visiting adept' -- and, when noticed, it was explained that
he was "visiting" to have a look at the "room" and was somewhat
rueful about being  "caught" on the exposed film, as apparently a
photograph also looks part way into the astral ?

I recall reading this but at this moment I do not know where, nor
do I recall where I could look for it.        Dal.

> Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 10:02 PM
> From: "Daniel H Caldwell" <blafoun@azstarnet.com>
> Subject: Re: Dr. Bain and "Real Evidence"

>Dr. A.M.Bain wrote:
>
>> At least a photo of HPB with a Mahatma. Maybe a picture of the
Great
>> Brotherhood.  Testimony from others who could confirm from
their own
>> experience that what she said was also what they found.
>
>Daniel Caldwell replies:
>
>We have the testimony of *more than 25 individuals* during
Madame
>Blavatsky's
>lifetime who said that they had met H.P.B's Adept Teachers.  See
my
>article at:
>
>http://www.azstarnet.com/~blafoun/johnargu.htm#Appendix
>
>This appendix gives the first hand accounts of H.S. Olcott.  I
have a
>huge file of the other testimonies.
>
>Dr. Bain continues:
>
>> In all my reading, I have not come across references to Great
White
>> Brotherhoods (or Great Black ones for that matter) which
pre-dates
>> HPB.
>
>So?  Using this kind of reasoning & argument, we could rule out
many
>different
>kinds of things. But the real question to answer is what is the
evidence
>for HPB's Masters and *how good is it*?
>
>Do you believe in the existence of Jesus Christ? Regarding
Jesus,
>as far as I know we have no first hand accounts about him; only
>secondary accounts written by unknown authors who
>compiled various materials from an oral tradition, etc., etc.
>If you have any first hand, eyewitness accounts of Jesus,
>please let me know.
>
>With HPB's Masters, we have plenty of eyewitness
>accounts. Even K. Paul Johnson is convinced of the existence of
Ooton
>Liatto and another adept.  He writes on p. 62 of THE MASTERS
REVEALED:
>
>". . . . There is little doubt that two REAL adepts visited
Olcott in
>New York."
>
>And elsewhere Johnson admits:
>
>"There were two points in the history of the TS at which the
Masters
>Morya and Koot Hoomi appeared as solid historical personages
rather than
>elusive semi-ethereal beings...."
>
>And Johnson's statements are based on the testimony of Olcott
and other
>Theosophical witnesses.
>
>Are you a "doubting Thomas" of Johnson's statements?  THIS COULD
GET
>INTERESTING!  :)
>
>And speaking of the Adept Brotherhood, in 1882, Colonel Olcott
wrote:
>
>"I know the Brothers to be living men and not spirits; and they
have
>TOLD me that there are schools, under appointed adepts, where
their
>science is regularly taught."
>
>If you accept any of the Theosophical teachings, what is so
>difficult in believing that there are Theosophical adepts,
yogis,
>call them what you will, and that they have their own schools
and
>communities?
>
>I have many friends who are *skeptics of Theosophy*, but they
don't
>believe
>in Adepts plus they disbelieve all the rest of Theosophy, not to
>mention the Kabbalah and all esoteric traditions, etc.,etc.
>
>In the above, I am not suggesting that one should naively accept
the
>evidence but it should be examined and studied and compared with
other
>types of evidence for other things. How good is the "evidence"
for the
>"paranormal" or "esoteric" items that you accept and believe in?
>
>I'm not trying to be difficult with you but simply asking you to
>compare things, etc.
>
>