Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00168)

On the election of VP issue, it is the GC members who have the authority to
raise any questions.  They should do it. All members who are concerned about
it, should contact their General Secretaries and ask them to bring it up.

The issue of disenfranchisement has been discussed at length and they are
available in theos-talk archives. Members can read them and see thru what
really happened. Treating them as just simple proposals does not go to the
bottom of it.

MKR


On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 7:45 PM, preethi muthiah
<seeker_preethi@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Dear dear MKR,
>
> I am an ordinary member of the Theosophical Society...just as you are...
>
> But I have common sense -- or if you choose uncommon sense -- that impels
> me to ask the question about the questionable way in which Linda Oliveira
> was elected VP of the TS based on printed and published facts...
>
> One does not need to be a lawyer or member of the GC in order to be able to
> read the Theosophist. One does not need to be a lawyer or member of the GC
> in order to be able to read the published and accepted Minutes of the GC
> meeting held on 25 December 2008.
>
> One just needs to be a literate, aware, educated and intelligent member of
> the TS who can, as They would have said, "put two and two together once that
> one has received a little inkling of a whole truth".
>
> I do hope you fit the bill above.
>
>
> Fraternally
>
> Preethi
>
> --- On Fri, 25/12/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related issues -
> Contradictions & Question that
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, 25 December, 2009, 6:55 AM
>
>
>
>
> I wish some of the GC members/General Secretaries decide to participate in
>
> the discussions here and enlighten all of us. On matters like this, they
> are
>
> the ones who have access to the records and thus can provide definitive
>
> information.
>
> In issues like this, I wish there are lawyers who know the law can give
>
> their professional findings under their own name and take responsibility
> for
>
> their opinions.
>
> If the issue is considered very important, some of the General Secretaries
>
> can hire a lawyer using the TS funds. Any amount of discussion by non
>
> lawyers on legal issues do not carry any weight, whether they are scholars,
>
> politicians, professors, occultists, elders etc.
>
> Why this has not happened so far, seem to indicate that the issue is
>
> unimportant since what took place is perfectly legal. This approach will
>
> also provide some lively hood for lawyers. Sections such as the US section
>
> has a lot of experience in litigation and use of big time lawyers spending
> a
>
> lot of TS money, not anyone's personal funds!!!
>
> MKR
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:32 PM, seeker_preethi <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Dear All,
>
> >
>
> > I received the below via email and thought I would pass it on to
> TheosTalk
>
> > as well. Lots of things to ponder about, don't you think?
>
> >
>
> > Fraternally
>
> > Preethi
>
> >
>
> > From: Brotherhood Of Theosophy [mailto:brotherhoodoftheoso phy@gmail.com<brotherhoodoftheos ophy%40gmail. com>
>
>
> > ]
>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:56 AM
>
> > To: brotherhoodoftheoso phy
>
> > Subject: Election of the Vice-President & related issues - Contradictions
> &
>
> > Question that deserve answers
>
> >
>
> > Election of the Vice-President & related issues - Contradictions &
> Question
>
> > that deserve answers
>
> >
>
> > 1. Preethi in http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 53509
>
> >
>
> > How was Linda Oliveira elected as Vice President of the TS BEFORE the
>
> > General Council meeting of December 2008 could be held? In that meeting a
>
> > vote was taken to ELECT her as Vice President of the TS, while actually
> the
>
> > international President had already made that announcement in the
>
> > Theosophist of December 2008, which issue of the Theosophist was printed
> in
>
> > the Month of November 2008 -- ONE MONTH before the GENERAL COUNCIL
> MEETING.
>
> >
>
> > 2. Keith Fisher at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/
> 53513
>
> >
>
> > Dear Preethi
>
> >
>
> > The result of the Vice President election could be printed in the
> December
>
> > issue of the Theosophist because the election was completed in October
> 2008.
>
> >
>
> > The President nominated Linda Oliveira for Vice President on 20 September
>
> > 2008, the closing date for voting was 20 October, and the result was
> first
>
> > declared on 29 October 2008. As International Secretary, I presented to
> the
>
> > General Council meeting on 25 December 2008, a document showing how GC
>
> > members had voted and the actual voting slips for confirmation of the
> votes
>
> > cast. These were scrutinized by the GC members present and found to be
>
> > correct.
>
> > Keith
>
> >
>
> > 3. The actual minutes of the General Council Meeting of 25 December 2008
>
> > states:
>
> >
>
> > "The voting slips were scrutinized by some of the members of the General
>
> > Council and Mrs. Linda Oliveira was declared elected as the
> Vice-President
>
> > of the Society."
>
> >
>
> > 4. Rule 11
>
> >
>
> > `Within three months of assuming office the President shall nominate the
>
> > Vice President subject to confirmation by the General Council.
>
> >
>
> > 5. By every one's own admission, election was required to be confirmed by
>
> > the General Council!
>
> >
>
> > 6. Question that deserves answer
>
> >
>
> > If a confirmation was required in the 25 December 2008 General Council
>
> > meeting, and because minutes of this meeting also states that Linda
> Oliveira
>
> > was declared elected only on 25 December 2008 how is it fair and honest
> to
>
> > declare on 29 October 2008 that she is the Vice-President and to make the
>
> > announcement in the December month's Theosophist which was actually
> printed
>
> > in November 2008? By such action, the General Council has been treated
> with
>
> > contempt and it is an insult to the General Council members.
>
> >
>
> > 7. The violations of rules in election (?) of additional members of the
>
> > General Council are also shameful and reflect the manipulations and utter
>
> > cynical contempt for rules, procedures, for ordinary members and General
>
> > Council members of The Theosophical Society.
>
> >
>
> > All functions of Linda as vice-president and of the additional general
>
> > council members elected (?) in 2008 cannot be treated legal.
>
> >
>
> > Reply by Govert Schuller 18 hours ago
>
> >
>
> > Dear Adyarwoman,
>
> >
>
> > This issue only looks like a non-sinister technicality.
>
> >
>
> > What was the exact text of the December 2008 Theosophist regarding Mrs.
>
> > Oliveira's status?
>
> >
>
> > Probably she should have been called "Vice President Elect" from October
>
> > 29, 2008 till December 25, 2008, when she was declared "Vice President"
>
> > based on the acceptance of the election results by the GC.
>
> >
>
> > Reply by adyarwoman 9 hours ago
>
> >
>
> > It is not 'non-sinister technically. ' It is sinister. The December 2008
>
> > issue of The Theosophist printed in last week of November 2008, carries
> the
>
> > following 2 information:
>
> > Page 85: "Mrs. Linda Oliveira was elected Vice-President with effect from
>
> > 20 October 2008."
>
> >
>
> > Keith Fisher at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/
> 53513
>
> > says "the result was first declared on 29 October 2008" , (9 days later!)
>
> >
>
> > The same issue of The Theosophist says on the 2nd Page in the list of
>
> > Presidents, Vice-Presidents etc, "Vice-President: Mrs. Linda Oliveira".
>
> >
>
> > This was a sinister attempt to prevent the existing Vice-President from
>
> > attending the General Council meeting.
>
> >
>
> > This also makes a mockery of the procedure of confirmation and hence an
>
> > insult and contempt to the General Council members.
>
> >
>
> > Reply by Govert Schuller 7 hours ago
>
> >
>
> > I see. That's why I asked for the text. Thank you.
>
> >
>
> > For full information, visit
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://theosophical .ning.com/ forum/topics/ the-ts-in- crisis-new?
> id=2060685% 3ATopic%3A40419& page=-1#comments
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> >
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> >
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> >
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