Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00170)

Considering how damned litigious some TS members in the US can be, yes,  
have lawyers.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
www.charlescosimano.com  

 
In a message dated 12/24/2009 7:25:34 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
mkr777@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
I wish some of the GC members/General Secretaries decide to participate  in
the discussions here and enlighten all of us. On matters like this, they  
are
the ones who have access to the records and thus can provide  definitive
information.

In issues like this, I wish there are  lawyers who know the law can give
their professional findings under their  own name and take responsibility 
for
their opinions.

If the issue is  considered very important, some of the General Secretaries
can hire a  lawyer using the TS funds. Any amount of discussion by non
lawyers on legal  issues do not carry any weight, whether they are scholars,
politicians,  professors, occultists, elders etc.

Why this has not happened so far,  seem to indicate that the issue is
unimportant since what took place is  perfectly legal. This approach will
also provide some lively hood for  lawyers. Sections such a_s the US section
has a lot of experience in  litigation and use of big time lawyers spending 
a
lot of TS money, not  anyone's personal funds!!!

MKR

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:32 PM,  seeker_preethi <




_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _seeker_preethi@seeker_pr_ 
(mailto:seeker_preethi@yahoo.com) _>wrote:

>
>
>  Dear All,
>
> I received the below via email and thought I would  pass it on to 
TheosTalk
> as well. Lots of things to ponder about, don't  you think?
>
> Fraternally
> Preethi
>
> From:  Brotherhood Of Theosophy [mailto:_ 
(http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _brotherhoodoftheosobrotherhoobro_ 
(mailto:brotherhoodoftheosophy@gmail.com) _<brotherhoodoftheosbrotherhoodofbro>
>  ]
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:56 AM
> To:  brotherhoodoftheoso To
> Subject: Election of the Vice-President  & related issues - 
Contradictions &
> Question that deserve  answers
>
> Election of the Vice-President & related issues -  Contradictions & 
Question
> that deserve answers
>
> 1.  Preethi in _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://groups.http://grohttp://grouphttp://groupshttp:_ 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/53509) _
>
> How was Linda Oliveira  elected as Vice President of the TS BEFORE the
> General Council meeting  of December 2008 could be held? In that meeting a
> vote was taken to  ELECT her as Vice President of the TS, while actually 
the
>  international President had already made that announcement in the
>  Theosophist of December 2008, which issue of the Theosophist was printed 
 in
> the Month of November 2008 -- ONE MONTH before the GENERAL COUNCIL  
MEETING.
>
> 2. Keith Fisher at _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://groups.http://grohttp://grouphttp://groupshttp:_ 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/53513) 
>
> Dear  Preethi
>
> The result of the Vice President election could be  printed in the 
December
> issue of the Theosophist because the election  was completed in October 
2008.
>
> The President nominated Linda  Oliveira for Vice President on 20 September
> 2008, the closing date for  voting was 20 October, and the result was 
first
> declared on 29 October  2008. As International Secretary, I presented to 
the
> General Council  meeting on 25 December 2008, a document showing how GC
> members had  voted and the actual voting slips for confirmation of the 
votes
> cast.  These were scrutinized by the GC members present and found to be
>  correct.
> Keith
>
> 3. The actual minutes of the General  Council Meeting of 25 December 2008
> states:
>
> "The  voting slips were scrutinized by some of the members of the General
>  Council and Mrs. Linda Oliveira was declared elected as the  
Vice-President
> of the Society."
>
> 4. Rule  11
>
> `Within three months of assuming office the President shall  nominate the
> Vice President subject to confirmation by the General  Council.
>
> 5. By every one's own admission, election was  required to be confirmed by
> the General Council!
>
> 6.  Question that deserves answer
>
> If a confirmation was required  in the 25 December 2008 General Council
> meeting, and because minutes  of this meeting also states that Linda 
Oliveira
> was declared elected  only on 25 December 2008 how is it fair and honest 
to
> declare on 29  October 2008 that she is the Vice-President and to make the
>  announcement in the December month's Theosophist which was actually  
printed
> in November 2008? By such action, the General Council has been  treated 
with
> contempt and it is an insult to the General Council  members.
>
> 7. The violations of rules in election (?) of  additional members of the
> General Council are also shameful and  reflect the manipulations and utter
> cynical contempt for rules,  procedures, for ordinary members and General
> Council members of The  Theosophical Society.
>
> All _functions of Linda as vice-president  and of the additional general
> council members elected (?) in 2008  cannot be treated legal.
>
> Reply by Govert Schuller 18 hours  ago
>
> Dear Adyarwoman,
>
> This issue only looks  like a non-sinister technicality.
>
> What was the exact text of  the December 2008 Theosophist regarding Mrs.
> Oliveira's  status?
>
> Probably she should have been called "Vice President  Elect" from October
> 29, 2008 till December 25, 2008, when she was  declared "Vice President"
> based on the acceptance of the election  results by the GC.
>
> Reply by adyarwoman 9 hours  ago
>
> It is not 'non-sinister technically. It is not 'non-sinister 
technically.<W
> issue of The Theosophist printed in last week of  November 2008, carries 
the
> following 2 information:
> Page 85:  "Mrs. Linda Oliveira was elected Vice-President with effect from
> 20  October 2008."
>
> Keith Fisher at _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://groups.http://grohttp://grouphttp://groupshttp:_ 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/53513) _
> says "the result was first  declared on 29 October 2008" , (9 days later!)
>
> The same issue  of The Theosophist says on the 2nd Page in the list of
> Presidents,  Vice-Presidents etc, "Vice-President: Mrs. Linda Oliveira".
>
>  This was a sinister attempt to prevent the existing Vice-President  from
> attending the General Council meeting.
>
> This also  makes a mockery of the procedure of confirmation and hence an
> insult  and contempt to the General Council members.
>
> Reply by Govert  Schuller 7 hours ago
>
> I see. That's why I asked for the text.  Thank you.
>
> For full information, visit
>
>
>  _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://theosophicalhttp://thehttp://theosohttp://thehttp://theohttp://theohttp://theosoph&;<WBR>page=-1#com_ 
(http://theosophical.ning.com/forum/topics/the-ts-in-crisis-new?id=2060685:Topic
:40419&page=-1#comments) _
>
>  
>

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