Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00171)

I have no problem with psuedonyms.  If the information is true, it  does 
not matter under which name it comes from.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
_www.charlescosimano.com  

 
In a message dated 12/24/2009 7:38:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
mkr777@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
I will leave it to the reader to make up their minds about the  pseudonym
issue. Many times, it is used by people to keep their personal  reputation
mask clear. Because, once you write something with your own  name, you have
to standby what one writes.

The disenfranchisement  issue is very very serious. If the coup had
succeeded, we will not be  talking here, because there is nothing to talk
about and all information  would have been shut like a clam shell. What is
more important is that  members were able to make up their minds about the
Quartet who tried the  ultra secret attempt. This issue is not going to go
away, because it is an  extremely serious issue with the future of TS and  
its
members.

MKR

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 7:28 PM, preethi  muthiah
<




_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _seeker_preethi@seeker_pr_ 
(mailto:seeker_preethi@yahoo.com) _>wrote:

>
>
>  MKR,
>
> Might I be permitted to say here that the Message is more  important than
> the Messenger. The issue is not so much "who sent the  message" than what 
the
> Contents of the message tell us about the  current administration, or 
shall I
> say,  Misadministration?
>
> Why does it not occur to you -- a seeker  after the Truth -- that people
> must need to use pseudonyms for FEAR of  facing the repercussions of their
> declarations? And what, O Truth  Seeker, is FEAR doing in an organization
> that declares TRUTH as its  Motto? Doesn't the contradiction and 
dichotomy of
> it hit you,  MKR?
>
> Why is there SO MUCH FEAR in the Theosophical Society?  Why is there the
> FEAR of the President? Where did that FEAR take  root?
>
> Fraternally
>
> Preethi
>
> ---  On Fri, 25/12/09, MKR <_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_mkr777@gmail.mkr_ (mailto:mkr777@gmail.com) _ <mkr777%40gmail.mkr>>  wrote:
>
> From: MKR <_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _mkr777@gmail.mkr_ 
(mailto:mkr777@gmail.com) _  <mkr777%40gmail.mkr>>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Election  of the Vice-President & related issues 
-
> Contradictions &  Question that
> To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ 
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)   <theos-talk%theos-talk%<WBthe>
> Date: Friday, 25  December, 2009, 6:41 AM
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for  posting.
>
> It would be interesting to know who is the writer of  the message.
>
> Theosophical society members around the world are  a small community and 
as
>
> such most know each other, especially  if they are active.
>
> Also many times, when you look at the  depth of knowledge shown by the
>
> writers using pseudonyms, it  is usually someone very close to the
>
> administration and/or the  leaders, past and present.
>
> Persons who stand up with their own  names behind messages are highly
>
> regarded because they stake  their reputation in what they say and 
displays
>
> the integrity  of the person.
>
> On the other hand, you cannot ignore the  identity from the message.
>
> Of late many theosophists are fine  tuning the techniques of hiding behind
>
> pseudonyms and claim  that message is important.
>
> It would be interesting to see any  responses.
>
> MKR
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:32  PM, seeker__preethi <seeker_preethi@ 
yahoo.com
>  >wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Dear  All,
>
> >
>
> > I received the below via email  and thought I would pass it on to
> TheosTalk
>
> > as  well. Lots of things to ponder about, don't you think?
>
>  >
>
> > Fraternally
>
> >  Preethi
>
> >
>
> > From: Brotherhood Of  Theosophy [mailto:brotherhood From: Br_ 
(http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _phy@gmail.com_ (mailto:phy@gmail.com) 
_<brotherhoodoftheos ophy%40gmail.  com>
>
>
> > ]
>
> > Sent: Thursday,  December 24, 2009 10:56 AM
>
> > To: brotherhoodoftheoso  phy
>
> > Subject: Election of the Vice-President & related  issues - 
Contradictions
> &
>
> > Question that  deserve answers
>
> >
>
> > Election of the  Vice-President & related issues - Contradictions &
>  Question
>
> > that deserve answers
>
>  >
>
> > 1. Preethi in _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://groups._ 
(http://groups./) _ yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/  53509
>
> >
>
> > How was Linda Oliveira elected  as Vice President of the TS BEFORE the
>
> > General Council  meeting of December 2008 could be held? In that 
meeting a
>
> >  vote was taken to ELECT her as Vice President of the TS, while  
actually
> the
>
> > international President had already  made that announcement in the
>
> > Theosophist of December  2008, which issue of the Theosophist was 
printed
> in
>
>  > the Month of November 2008 -- ONE MONTH before the GENERAL  COUNCIL
> MEETING.
>
> >
>
> > 2. Keith  Fisher at _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://groups._ (http://groups./)  yahoo.com/ group/theos-  talk/message/
> 53513
>
> >
>
> > Dear  Preethi
>
> >
>
> > The result of the Vice  President election could be printed in the
> December
>
>  > issue of the Theosophist because the election was completed in  October
> 2008.
>
> >
>
> > The President  nominated Linda Oliveira for Vice President on 20 
September
>
>  > 2008, the closing date for voting was 20 October, and the result  was
> first
>
> > declared on 29 October 2008. As  International Secretary, I presented to
> the
>
> >  General Council meeting on 25 December 2008, a document showing how  GC
>
> > members had voted and the actual voting slips for  confirmation of the
> votes
>
> > cast. These were  scrutinized by the GC members present and found to be
>
> >  correct.
>
> > Keith
>
> >
>
> >  3. The actual minutes of the General Council Meeting of 25 December  
2008
>
> > states:
>
> >
>
> >  "The voting slips were scrutinized by some of the members of the  
General
>
> > Council and Mrs. Linda Oliveira was declared  elected as the
> Vice-President
>
> > of the  Society."
>
> >
>
> > 4. Rule 11
>
>  >
>
> > `Within three months of assuming office the  President shall nominate 
the
>
> > Vice President subject to  confirmation by the General Council.
>
> >
>
> >  5. By every one's own admission, election was required to be confirmed 
 by
>
> > the General Council!
>
>  >
>
> > 6. Question that deserves answer
>
>  >
>
> > If a confirmation was required in the 25 December  2008 General Council
>
> > meeting, and because minutes of this  meeting also states that Linda
> Oliveira
>
> > was  declared elected only on 25 December 2008 how is it fair and honest
>  to
>
> > declare on 29 October 2008 that she is the  Vice-President and to make 
the
>
> > announcement in the  December month's Theosophist which was actually
>  printed
>
> > in November 2008? By such action, the General  Council has been treated
> with
>
> > contempt and it is  an insult to the General Council members.
>
> >
>
>  > 7. The violations of rules in election (?) of additional members of  
the
>
> > General Council are also shameful and reflect the  manipulations and 
utter
>
> > cynical contempt for rules,  procedures, for ordinary members and 
General
>
> > Council  members of The Theosophical Society.
>
> >
>
> >  All functions of Linda as vice-president and of the additional  general
>
> > council members elected (?) in 2008 cannot be  treated legal.
>
> >
>
> > Reply by Govert  Schuller 18 hours ago
>
> >
>
> > Dear  Adyarwoman,
>
> >
>
> > This issue only looks  like a non-sinister technicality.
>
> >
>
> >  What was the exact text of the December 2008 Theosophist regarding  
Mrs.
>
> > Oliveira's status?
>
>  >
>
> > Probably she should have been called "Vice President  Elect" from 
October
>
> > 29, 2008 till December 25, 2008, when  she was declared "Vice President"
>
> > based on the acceptance  of the election results by the GC.
>
> >
>
> >  Reply by adyarwoman 9 hours ago
>
> >
>
> > It  is not 'non-sinister technically. ' It is sinister. The December  
2008
>_
> > issue of The Theosophist printed in last week of  November 2008, carries
> the
>
> > following 2  information:
>
> > Page 85: "Mrs. Linda Oliveira was elected  Vice-President with effect 
from
>
> > 20 October  2008."
>
> >
>
> > Keith Fisher at _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://groups._ 
(http://groups./) _ yahoo.com/ group/theos-  talk/message/
> 53513
>
> > says "the result was first  declared on 29 October 2008" , (9 days 
later!)
>
>  >
>
> > The same issue of The Theosophist says on the 2nd  Page in the list of
>
> > Presidents, Vice-Presidents etc,  "Vice-President: Mrs. Linda Oliveira".
>
> >
>
>  > This was a sinister attempt to prevent the existing Vice-President  
from
>
> > attending the General Council  meeting.
>
> >
>
> > This also makes a mockery  of the procedure of confirmation and hence an
>
> > insult and  contempt to the General Council members.
>
> >
>
>  > Reply by Govert Schuller 7 hours ago
>
> >
>
>  > I see. That's why I asked for the text. Thank you.
>
>  >
>
> > For full information, visit
>
>  >
>
> >
>
> > _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://theosophical_ 
(http://theosophical/) _ .ning.com/ forum/topics/ the-ts-in-  crisis-new?
> id=2060685% 3ATopic%3A40419&  page=-1#comments
>
> >
>
> >
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