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Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related issues - Contradict

Dec 25, 2009 05:41 PM
by MKR


One never knows if the info is untrue, half true or just simply false, until
there is corroborative confirmation. That is one of the fundamental issues
with info coming from pseudonymers.

Also when information comes from non-pseudonymers, our past experience with
the individuals gives a degree of confidence and trust in the info being
true.

Usually the pseudonymers sign on and post some messages and disappear.

MKR

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:41 AM, <Drpsionic@aol.com> wrote:

>
>
> I have no problem with psuedonyms. If the information is true, it does
> not matter under which name it comes from.
>
>
> Chuck the Heretic
>
> _www.charlescosimano.com
>
> In a message dated 12/24/2009 7:38:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com> writes:
>
> I will leave it to the reader to make up their minds about the pseudonym
> issue. Many times, it is used by people to keep their personal reputation
> mask clear. Because, once you write something with your own name, you have
> to standby what one writes.
>
> The disenfranchisement issue is very very serious. If the coup had
> succeeded, we will not be talking here, because there is nothing to talk
> about and all information would have been shut like a clam shell. What is
> more important is that members were able to make up their minds about the
> Quartet who tried the ultra secret attempt. This issue is not going to go
> away, because it is an extremely serious issue with the future of TS and
> its
> members.
>
> MKR
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 7:28 PM, preethi muthiah
>
> <
>
> _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _seeker_preethi@seeker_pr_
> (mailto:seeker_preethi@yahoo.com <seeker_preethi%40yahoo.com>) _>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > MKR,
> >
> > Might I be permitted to say here that the Message is more important than
> > the Messenger. The issue is not so much "who sent the message" than what
> the
> > Contents of the message tell us about the current administration, or
> shall I
> > say, Misadministration?
> >
> > Why does it not occur to you -- a seeker after the Truth -- that people
> > must need to use pseudonyms for FEAR of facing the repercussions of their
> > declarations? And what, O Truth Seeker, is FEAR doing in an organization
> > that declares TRUTH as its Motto? Doesn't the contradiction and
> dichotomy of
> > it hit you, MKR?
> >
> > Why is there SO MUCH FEAR in the Theosophical Society? Why is there the
> > FEAR of the President? Where did that FEAR take root?
> >
> > Fraternally
> >
> > Preethi
> >
> > --- On Fri, 25/12/09, MKR <_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> _mkr777@gmail.mkr <_mkr777%40gmail.mkr>_ (mailto:mkr777@gmail.com<mkr777%40gmail.com>)
> _ <mkr777%40gmail.mkr>> wrote:
> >
> > From: MKR <_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _mkr777@gmail.mkr<_mkr777%40gmail.mkr>_
>
> (mailto:mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>) _ <mkr777%40gmail.mkr>>
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related issues
> -
> > Contradictions & Question that
> > To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_
> (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>)
> <theos-talk%theos-talk%<WBthe>
> > Date: Friday, 25 December, 2009, 6:41 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for posting.
> >
> > It would be interesting to know who is the writer of the message.
> >
> > Theosophical society members around the world are a small community and
> as
> >
> > such most know each other, especially if they are active.
> >
> > Also many times, when you look at the depth of knowledge shown by the
> >
> > writers using pseudonyms, it is usually someone very close to the
> >
> > administration and/or the leaders, past and present.
> >
> > Persons who stand up with their own names behind messages are highly
> >
> > regarded because they stake their reputation in what they say and
> displays
> >
> > the integrity of the person.
> >
> > On the other hand, you cannot ignore the identity from the message.
> >
> > Of late many theosophists are fine tuning the techniques of hiding behind
> >
> > pseudonyms and claim that message is important.
> >
> > It would be interesting to see any responses.
> >
> > MKR
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:32 PM, seeker__preethi <seeker_preethi@
> yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Dear All,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I received the below via email and thought I would pass it on to
> > TheosTalk
> >
> > > as well. Lots of things to ponder about, don't you think?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Fraternally
> >
> > > Preethi
> >
> > >
> >
> > > From: Brotherhood Of Theosophy [mailto:brotherhood From: Br_
> (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _phy@gmail.com <_phy%40gmail.com>_
> (mailto:phy@gmail.com <phy%40gmail.com>)
> _<brotherhoodoftheos ophy%40gmail. com>
>
> >
> >
> > > ]
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:56 AM
> >
> > > To: brotherhoodoftheoso phy
>
> >
> > > Subject: Election of the Vice-President & related issues -
> Contradictions
> > &
> >
> > > Question that deserve answers
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Election of the Vice-President & related issues - Contradictions &
> > Question
> >
> > > that deserve answers
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 1. Preethi in _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://groups._
> (http://groups./) _ yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 53509
> >
> > >
> >
> > > How was Linda Oliveira elected as Vice President of the TS BEFORE the
> >
> > > General Council meeting of December 2008 could be held? In that
> meeting a
> >
> > > vote was taken to ELECT her as Vice President of the TS, while
> actually
> > the
> >
> > > international President had already made that announcement in the
> >
> > > Theosophist of December 2008, which issue of the Theosophist was
> printed
> > in
> >
> > > the Month of November 2008 -- ONE MONTH before the GENERAL COUNCIL
> > MEETING.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 2. Keith Fisher at _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/)
> _http://groups._ (http://groups./) yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/
>
> > 53513
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Dear Preethi
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The result of the Vice President election could be printed in the
> > December
> >
> > > issue of the Theosophist because the election was completed in October
> > 2008.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The President nominated Linda Oliveira for Vice President on 20
> September
> >
> > > 2008, the closing date for voting was 20 October, and the result was
> > first
> >
> > > declared on 29 October 2008. As International Secretary, I presented to
> > the
> >
> > > General Council meeting on 25 December 2008, a document showing how GC
> >
> > > members had voted and the actual voting slips for confirmation of the
> > votes
> >
> > > cast. These were scrutinized by the GC members present and found to be
> >
> > > correct.
> >
> > > Keith
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 3. The actual minutes of the General Council Meeting of 25 December
> 2008
> >
> > > states:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > "The voting slips were scrutinized by some of the members of the
> General
> >
> > > Council and Mrs. Linda Oliveira was declared elected as the
> > Vice-President
> >
> > > of the Society."
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 4. Rule 11
> >
> > >
> >
> > > `Within three months of assuming office the President shall nominate
> the
> >
> > > Vice President subject to confirmation by the General Council.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 5. By every one's own admission, election was required to be confirmed
> by
> >
> > > the General Council!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 6. Question that deserves answer
> >
> > >
> >
> > > If a confirmation was required in the 25 December 2008 General Council
> >
> > > meeting, and because minutes of this meeting also states that Linda
> > Oliveira
> >
> > > was declared elected only on 25 December 2008 how is it fair and honest
> > to
> >
> > > declare on 29 October 2008 that she is the Vice-President and to make
> the
> >
> > > announcement in the December month's Theosophist which was actually
> > printed
> >
> > > in November 2008? By such action, the General Council has been treated
> > with
> >
> > > contempt and it is an insult to the General Council members.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 7. The violations of rules in election (?) of additional members of
> the
> >
> > > General Council are also shameful and reflect the manipulations and
> utter
> >
> > > cynical contempt for rules, procedures, for ordinary members and
> General
> >
> > > Council members of The Theosophical Society.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > All functions of Linda as vice-president and of the additional general
> >
> > > council members elected (?) in 2008 cannot be treated legal.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Reply by Govert Schuller 18 hours ago
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Dear Adyarwoman,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > This issue only looks like a non-sinister technicality.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > What was the exact text of the December 2008 Theosophist regarding
> Mrs.
> >
> > > Oliveira's status?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Probably she should have been called "Vice President Elect" from
> October
> >
> > > 29, 2008 till December 25, 2008, when she was declared "Vice President"
> >
> > > based on the acceptance of the election results by the GC.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Reply by adyarwoman 9 hours ago
> >
> > >
> >
> > > It is not 'non-sinister technically. ' It is sinister. The December
> 2008
>
> >_
> > > issue of The Theosophist printed in last week of November 2008, carries
> > the
> >
> > > following 2 information:
> >
> > > Page 85: "Mrs. Linda Oliveira was elected Vice-President with effect
> from
> >
> > > 20 October 2008."
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Keith Fisher at _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://groups._
> (http://groups./) _ yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/
> > 53513
> >
> > > says "the result was first declared on 29 October 2008" , (9 days
> later!)
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The same issue of The Theosophist says on the 2nd Page in the list of
> >
> > > Presidents, Vice-Presidents etc, "Vice-President: Mrs. Linda Oliveira".
> >
> > >
> >
> > > This was a sinister attempt to prevent the existing Vice-President
> from
> >
> > > attending the General Council meeting.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > This also makes a mockery of the procedure of confirmation and hence an
> >
> > > insult and contempt to the General Council members.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Reply by Govert Schuller 7 hours ago
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I see. That's why I asked for the text. Thank you.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > For full information, visit
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://theosophical_
> (http://theosophical/) _ .ning.com/ forum/topics/ the-ts-in- crisis-new?
> > id=2060685% 3ATopic%3A40419& page=-1#comments
>
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
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