Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00166)

I have stated what I have to state. Let the readers decide for themselves,
which is finally what counts.

MKR

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 7:45 PM, preethi muthiah
<seeker_preethi@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Dear dear MKR,
>
> I am an ordinary member of the Theosophical Society...just as you are...
>
> But I have common sense -- or if you choose uncommon sense -- that impels
> me to ask the question about the questionable way in which Linda Oliveira
> was elected VP of the TS based on printed and published facts...
>
> One does not need to be a lawyer or member of the GC in order to be able to
> read the Theosophist. One does not need to be a lawyer or member of the GC
> in order to be able to read the published and accepted Minutes of the GC
> meeting held on 25 December 2008.
>
> One just needs to be a literate, aware, educated and intelligent member of
> the TS who can, as They would have said, "put two and two together once that
> one has received a little inkling of a whole truth".
>
> I do hope you fit the bill above.
>
>
> Fraternally
>
> Preethi
>
> --- On Fri, 25/12/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related issues -
> Contradictions & Question that
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, 25 December, 2009, 6:55 AM
>
>
>
>
> I wish some of the GC members/General Secretaries decide to participate in
>
> the discussions here and enlighten all of us. On matters like this, they
> are
>
> the ones who have access to the records and thus can provide definitive
>
> information.
>
> In issues like this, I wish there are lawyers who know the law can give
>
> their professional findings under their own name and take responsibility
> for
>
> their opinions.
>
> If the issue is considered very important, some of the General Secretaries
>
> can hire a lawyer using the TS funds. Any amount of discussion by non
>
> lawyers on legal issues do not carry any weight, whether they are scholars,
>
> politicians, professors, occultists, elders etc.
>
> Why this has not happened so far, seem to indicate that the issue is
>
> unimportant since what took place is perfectly legal. This approach will
>
> also provide some lively hood for lawyers. Sections such as the US section
>
> has a lot of experience in litigation and use of big time lawyers spending
> a
>
> lot of TS money, not anyone's personal funds!!!
>
> MKR
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:32 PM, seeker_preethi <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com
> >wrote:
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> >
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> >
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> > Dear All,
>
> >
>
> > I received the below via email and thought I would pass it on to
> TheosTalk
>
> > as well. Lots of things to ponder about, don't you think?
>
> >
>
> > Fraternally
>
> > Preethi
>
> >
>
> > From: Brotherhood Of Theosophy [mailto:brotherhoodoftheoso phy@gmail.com<brotherhoodoftheos ophy%40gmail. com>
>
>
> > ]
>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:56 AM
>
> > To: brotherhoodoftheoso phy
>
> > Subject: Election of the Vice-President & related issues - Contradictions
> &
>
> > Question that deserve answers
>
> >
>
> > Election of the Vice-President & related issues - Contradictions &
> Question
>
> > that deserve answers
>
> >
>
> > 1. Preethi in http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 53509
>
> >
>
> > How was Linda Oliveira elected as Vice President of the TS BEFORE the
>
> > General Council meeting of December 2008 could be held? In that meeting a
>
> > vote was taken to ELECT her as Vice President of the TS, while actually
> the
>
> > international President had already made that announcement in the
>
> > Theosophist of December 2008, which issue of the Theosophist was printed
> in
>
> > the Month of November 2008 -- ONE MONTH before the GENERAL COUNCIL
> MEETING.
>
> >
>
> > 2. Keith Fisher at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/
> 53513
>
> >
>
> > Dear Preethi
>
> >
>
> > The result of the Vice President election could be printed in the
> December
>
> > issue of the Theosophist because the election was completed in October
> 2008.
>
> >
>
> > The President nominated Linda Oliveira for Vice President on 20 September
>
> > 2008, the closing date for voting was 20 October, and the result was
> first
>
> > declared on 29 October 2008. As International Secretary, I presented to
> the
>
> > General Council meeting on 25 December 2008, a document showing how GC
>
> > members had voted and the actual voting slips for confirmation of the
> votes
>
> > cast. These were scrutinized by the GC members present and found to be
>
> > correct.
>
> > Keith
>
> >
>
> > 3. The actual minutes of the General Council Meeting of 25 December 2008
>
> > states:
>
> >
>
> > "The voting slips were scrutinized by some of the members of the General
>
> > Council and Mrs. Linda Oliveira was declared elected as the
> Vice-President
>
> > of the Society."
>
> >
>
> > 4. Rule 11
>
> >
>
> > `Within three months of assuming office the President shall nominate the
>
> > Vice President subject to confirmation by the General Council.
>
> >
>
> > 5. By every one's own admission, election was required to be confirmed by
>
> > the General Council!
>
> >
>
> > 6. Question that deserves answer
>
> >
>
> > If a confirmation was required in the 25 December 2008 General Council
>
> > meeting, and because minutes of this meeting also states that Linda
> Oliveira
>
> > was declared elected only on 25 December 2008 how is it fair and honest
> to
>
> > declare on 29 October 2008 that she is the Vice-President and to make the
>
> > announcement in the December month's Theosophist which was actually
> printed
>
> > in November 2008? By such action, the General Council has been treated
> with
>
> > contempt and it is an insult to the General Council members.
>
> >
>
> > 7. The violations of rules in election (?) of additional members of the
>
> > General Council are also shameful and reflect the manipulations and utter
>
> > cynical contempt for rules, procedures, for ordinary members and General
>
> > Council members of The Theosophical Society.
>
> >
>
> > All functions of Linda as vice-president and of the additional general
>
> > council members elected (?) in 2008 cannot be treated legal.
>
> >
>
> > Reply by Govert Schuller 18 hours ago
>
> >
>
> > Dear Adyarwoman,
>
> >
>
> > This issue only looks like a non-sinister technicality.
>
> >
>
> > What was the exact text of the December 2008 Theosophist regarding Mrs.
>
> > Oliveira's status?
>
> >
>
> > Probably she should have been called "Vice President Elect" from October
>
> > 29, 2008 till December 25, 2008, when she was declared "Vice President"
>
> > based on the acceptance of the election results by the GC.
>
> >
>
> > Reply by adyarwoman 9 hours ago
>
> >
>
> > It is not 'non-sinister technically. ' It is sinister. The December 2008
>
> > issue of The Theosophist printed in last week of November 2008, carries
> the
>
> > following 2 information:
>
> > Page 85: "Mrs. Linda Oliveira was elected Vice-President with effect from
>
> > 20 October 2008."
>
> >
>
> > Keith Fisher at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/
> 53513
>
> > says "the result was first declared on 29 October 2008" , (9 days later!)
>
> >
>
> > The same issue of The Theosophist says on the 2nd Page in the list of
>
> > Presidents, Vice-Presidents etc, "Vice-President: Mrs. Linda Oliveira".
>
> >
>
> > This was a sinister attempt to prevent the existing Vice-President from
>
> > attending the General Council meeting.
>
> >
>
> > This also makes a mockery of the procedure of confirmation and hence an
>
> > insult and contempt to the General Council members.
>
> >
>
> > Reply by Govert Schuller 7 hours ago
>
> >
>
> > I see. That's why I asked for the text. Thank you.
>
> >
>
> > For full information, visit
>
> >
>
> >
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> > http://theosophical .ning.com/ forum/topics/ the-ts-in- crisis-new?
> id=2060685% 3ATopic%3A40419& page=-1#comments
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> >
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> >
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