Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00133)

I have said from day one that the TS if it is a conduit for the ancient teachings must abandon leadbeater and besant and probably bailey if what they say contradicts HPB's views. One cannot serve two masters. However the reality is that leadbeater and besant will not be abandoned - besant more particularly because she provided a path of sorts from christianity (the esoteric within the bible) to theosophy. 

Isn't Pedro attached to the Liberal Catholic Church - if so theosophy now has the divine trinity - 3 false masters

Yes I accept what Blavatsky said about the Jesuits but it has changed nothing - they are still as powerful now as they were then - enough that the seed has been planted in some minds - I don't believe HPB came to convert everyone to theosophy but to plant a seed in the minds that found christianity and the like no longer reasonably acceptable as a spiritual path to inner godness

Cass




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From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 8 January, 2009 4:00:12 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?


Dear friends and Cass

My views are:

Lying about the truth instead of Seeking it will not help anyone.
We are seeking the Truth as theosophists. It is our duty to speak out against evilness!

Please, remember... that there is in reality according to H. P. Blavatsky NO difference between Jesuitism and Roman Catholicism!
And what have changed ? 

I say, almost nothing at all. Please do not underestimate the evil smellls coming from that religion.
So all talk about promoting Christian views is just another bad smell in the theosophical vocabulary, where the use of words like "God" is equal to a Christian nightmare.

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H. P. Blavatsky said:
"Theosophy and Jesuitism are the two opposite poles, one far above, the other far below even that stagnant marsh. Both offer power--one to the spiritual, the other to the psychic and intellectual Ego in man. The former is "the wisdom that is from above . . . pure, peaceable, gentle . . . full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy," while the latter is "the wisdom that descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, DEVILISH."3 One is the power of Light, the other that of Darkness. . . ."
.......

"It is vain to argue and claim a difference between Jesuitism and Roman Catholicism proper, for the latter is now sucked into and inseparably amalgamated with the former.".... ...."Today the distinction between the two schools is no longer admissible. "

"Meanwhile, let us remember the words of warning we received from one of our late Theosophists, Dr. Kenneth Mackenzie, who, speaking of the Jesuits, says that:--

"Their spies are everywhere, of all apparent ranks of society, and they may appear learned and wise, or simple or foolish, as their instructions run. There are Jesuits of both sexes, and all ages, and it is a well-known fact that members of the Order, of high family and delicate nurture, are acting as menial servants in Protestant families, and doing other things of a similar nature in aid of the Society's purposes. We cannot be too much on our guard, for the whole Society, being founded on a law of unhesitating obedience, can bring its force to bear on any given point with unerring and fatal accuracy."13

The Jesuits maintain that "the Society of Jesus is not of human invention, but it proceeded from him whose name it bears. For Jesus himself described that rule of life which the Society follows, first by his example, and afterwards by his words.''14"
http://www.blavatsk y.net/blavatsky/ arts/TheosophyOr Jesuitism. htm

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Cass do you find your self in disagreement with Blavatsky's views in the above quotes?

And those who call themselves theosophists who do not like these words by H. P. Blavatsky, aught to think twice before eagerly seeking to - distort - the Ancient Wisdom Teachings with dogmatic Christian teachings or related ones.

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Cass Silva 
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

Nonsense Morten
Cass

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From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 3:35:03 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

Dear friends and Cass

My views are:

Your view seem to be in support of a Christian version of what one dare call theosophical teachings, but which it is not.
And there is the difference in trutj between my stance and those who promotes Alice A. Bailey's agendas, faults and teachings, and C. W. Leadbeaters agendas, faults and teachings.

We say: There is no religion higher than truth.
If you will call debating on truth not moving forward, it is your choice.
What you appearently call to "move forward", some of us call to move into the realm of the Christian Churches teachings.

My that is just my view.

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Cass Silva 
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

Because Morten, we do not move forward, but remain debating on who was more right than the other. Perhaps you have personal reasons to decry Bailey and Krishnamurti by putting on your Blavatsky armour, but in the long run, its not going to assist you in your march forward. Perhaps all have something to contribute, as students all we can do is assess the teaching, accept or reject it on its own merits.

Cass

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From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009 4:28:42 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

Dear friends and Cass

MY views are:

You seem to ask:
If the Truth is important why waste energy on it?

It is not the person, but the content, the Teaching, which is important to me.

So if the teaching of X is non-important or even bad, why aught one to feed it - that much - with support?

So why support the political Christian-thesophis t followers of the Alice A. Bailey books, with their Christian saviour in the Flesh, prayers they call Invocations, and their emphasis on dualism? And while the Alice A. Bailey groups claim to be non-political when they have their Lucis Trust - World Goodwill and Triangles to seek out the promotion og one-single world religion and one-single world-Government. Why?

Why support C. W. Leadbeater, and his Bishop songs in the christian-biased LLC Church? Why support TS GROUPS and other groups SELLING books by a past high level teacher, C. W. Leadbeater? C. W. Leadbeater who ended as a disgrace to the theosophical cause, and when supported will be the fist in the face of phaedophile victims with scars on their souls?

Indeed why?

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Cass Silva 
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

The past cannot be changed so why waste energy on 'he said - she said'
Cass

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From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sunday, 4 January, 2009 6:39:24 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

Dear friends and Zaitzev

My views are:

Zaitzev wrote:
"Probably because Bailey criticized Leadbeater and Adyar leadership of
that time?"

My answer:
But is that an valid answer if we should follow the view by HPB, one aught to compare notes before centencing a persons. Or should we not?

Zaitzev wrote:
"Yet it was her peronal opinion, while the author of her books, the
Tibetan, was much better dosposed to Leadbeater."

My answer:
Was he?
Have you meet him? The Bailey D.K., who claims that Jesus was born in Bethlehem and will come in the near future and walk freely among men in the flesh?

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Konstantin Zaitzev 
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
<global-theosophy@ ...> wrote:

> So that is why they sell books by W. C. Leadbeater and not by Alice
A. Bailey or other claimed theosophical teachers?

Probably because Bailey criticized Leadbeater and Adyar leadership of
that time?

"A strong phase of psychism was sweeping through the society due to
the psychic pronouncements of Mr. Leadbeater and his extraordinary
control over Mrs. Besant. The aftermath of the Leadbeater scandal was
still causing much talk. Mrs. Besant's pronouncements about
Krishnamurti were splitting the society wide open. Orders were going
out from Adyar, based upon what were claimed to be orders to the Outer
Head by one of the Masters, that every member of the Theosophical
Society had to throw his interests into one or all of the three modes
of work&#8212;the Co-Masonic Order, the Order of Service and an educational
movement. If you did not do so you were regarded as being disloyal,
inattentive to the requests of the Masters and a bad Theosophist.
Books were being published at Adyar by Mr. Leadbeater that were
psychic in their implications and impossible of verification, carrying
a strong note of astralism. One of his major works, Man: Whence, How
and Whither, was a book that proved to me the basic untrustworthiness
of what he wrote. It is a book that outlines the future and the work
of the Hierarchy of the future, and the curious and arresting thing to
me was that the majority of the people slated to hold high office in
the Hierarchy and in the future coming civilisation were all Mr.
Leadbeater's personal friends. I knew some of these people&#8212; worthy,
kind, and mediocre, none of them intellectual giants and most of them
completely unimportant. I had travelled so widely and had met so many
people whom I knew to be more effective in world service, more
intelligent in serving the Christ, and more truly exponents of
brotherhood that my eyes were opened to the futility and uselessness
of this kind of literature." (Unfinished Biography)

Yet it was her peronal opinion, while the author of her books, the
Tibetan, was much better dosposed to Leadbeater.

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