Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00105)

Dear friends and Cass

My views are:

Your view seem to be in support of a Christian version of what one dare call theosophical teachings, but which it is not.
And there is the difference in trutj between my stance and those who promotes Alice A. Bailey's agendas, faults and teachings, and C. W. Leadbeaters agendas, faults and teachings.

We say: There is no religion higher than truth.
If you will call debating on truth not moving forward, it is your choice.
What you appearently call to "move forward", some of us call to move into the realm of the Christian Churches teachings.

My that is just my view.


M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cass Silva 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:39 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?


  Because Morten, we do not move forward, but remain debating on who was more right than the other.  Perhaps you have personal reasons to decry Bailey and Krishnamurti by putting on your Blavatsky armour, but in the long run, its not going to assist you in your march forward.  Perhaps all have something to contribute, as students all we can do is assess the teaching, accept or reject it on its own merits.

  Cass

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  From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009 4:28:42 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

  Dear friends and Cass

  MY views are:

  You seem to ask:
  If the Truth is important why waste energy on it?

  It is not the person, but the content, the Teaching, which is important to me.

  So if the teaching of X is non-important or even bad, why aught one to feed it - that much - with support?

  So why support the political Christian-thesophis t followers of the Alice A. Bailey books, with their Christian saviour in the Flesh, prayers they call Invocations, and their emphasis on dualism? And while the Alice A. Bailey groups claim to be non-political when they have their Lucis Trust - World Goodwill and Triangles to seek out the promotion og one-single world religion and one-single world-Government. Why?

  Why support C. W. Leadbeater, and his Bishop songs in the christian-biased LLC Church? Why support TS GROUPS and other groups SELLING books by a past high level teacher, C. W. Leadbeater? C. W. Leadbeater who ended as a disgrace to the theosophical cause, and when supported will be the fist in the face of phaedophile victims with scars on their souls?

  Indeed why?

  M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cass Silva 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:15 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

  The past cannot be changed so why waste energy on 'he said - she said'
  Cass

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  From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
  Sent: Sunday, 4 January, 2009 6:39:24 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

  Dear friends and Zaitzev

  My views are:

  Zaitzev wrote:
  "Probably because Bailey criticized Leadbeater and Adyar leadership of
  that time?"

  My answer:
  But is that an valid answer if we should follow the view by HPB, one aught to compare notes before centencing a persons. Or should we not?

  Zaitzev wrote:
  "Yet it was her peronal opinion, while the author of her books, the
  Tibetan, was much better dosposed to Leadbeater."

  My answer:
  Was he?
  Have you meet him? The Bailey D.K., who claims that Jesus was born in Bethlehem and will come in the near future and walk freely among men in the flesh?

  M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Konstantin Zaitzev 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:24 PM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
  <global-theosophy@ ...> wrote:

  > So that is why they sell books by W. C. Leadbeater and not by Alice
  A. Bailey or other claimed theosophical teachers?

  Probably because Bailey criticized Leadbeater and Adyar leadership of
  that time?

  "A strong phase of psychism was sweeping through the society due to
  the psychic pronouncements of Mr. Leadbeater and his extraordinary
  control over Mrs. Besant. The aftermath of the Leadbeater scandal was
  still causing much talk. Mrs. Besant's pronouncements about
  Krishnamurti were splitting the society wide open. Orders were going
  out from Adyar, based upon what were claimed to be orders to the Outer
  Head by one of the Masters, that every member of the Theosophical
  Society had to throw his interests into one or all of the three modes
  of work&#8212;the Co-Masonic Order, the Order of Service and an educational
  movement. If you did not do so you were regarded as being disloyal,
  inattentive to the requests of the Masters and a bad Theosophist.
  Books were being published at Adyar by Mr. Leadbeater that were
  psychic in their implications and impossible of verification, carrying
  a strong note of astralism. One of his major works, Man: Whence, How
  and Whither, was a book that proved to me the basic untrustworthiness
  of what he wrote. It is a book that outlines the future and the work
  of the Hierarchy of the future, and the curious and arresting thing to
  me was that the majority of the people slated to hold high office in
  the Hierarchy and in the future coming civilisation were all Mr.
  Leadbeater's personal friends. I knew some of these people&#8212; worthy,
  kind, and mediocre, none of them intellectual giants and most of them
  completely unimportant. I had travelled so widely and had met so many
  people whom I knew to be more effective in world service, more
  intelligent in serving the Christ, and more truly exponents of
  brotherhood that my eyes were opened to the futility and uselessness
  of this kind of literature." (Unfinished Biography)

  Yet it was her peronal opinion, while the author of her books, the
  Tibetan, was much better dosposed to Leadbeater.

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