Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00134)

Brown Rose
You are going to have to translate this piece into something resembling a point if you want a response

Cass



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> From: Brown Rose <splendorousbrown@yahoo.com>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 8 January, 2009 4:30:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?
> 
> ThatÂs alright, itÂs just a "central" theme in my life nowadays.
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> The Temptation of Jesus, Mathew 4:1 - 4:12, or, The conquest of the ego and 
> fear.
> (which one comes first, is like the egg and the chiken, can never tell).
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> This conquest results in acquiring chesed/gevurah
> But since only the exterior is visible in this world, what people saw was 
> JesusÂs gevurah, 
> as is told afterwards in Mathew 4:15 to 4:17, quoting the prophet Isaiah,
> "Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali, the way by the sea, beyond the Jordan, 
> Galilee of the Gentiles â 4:16 the people who sit in darkness have seen a great 
> light,
> and on those who sit in the region and shadow of death a light has dawned.â 
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> As you know, gevurah in kabbala is symbolised by the sun. Gevurah is also 
> numerically identical to the words Yirah, awe, and Aryeh, lion.
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> Jesus outer appeareance after this caused dread on the people of Galilee, as it 
> is told next in Mathew 4:17, 
> "From that time Jesus began to preach this message:ÂÂ âRepent, for the kingdom 
> of heaven is near.â
> Â
> Brown
> 
> From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net 
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:57 PM
> 
> Rose,
> Â Thank for your comments and reply. Yes ! I agree with your view. How
> Agape' strikes me viz Theosophy and in particular the Mahatama's, the
> choice of the Bodhisattva Vow of "Return" and the ultimate Ideal of
> Selfless Service to Mankind that is announced by Blavatsky as the pinnacle of
> condition that separates them from us in our common condition. The Mahatma's
> have been said to be achieved of a condition wherein they are inseparable from
> the higher hierarchy and place themselves without reservation to the highest
> Will of the Absolute with the implied "receipt" in some manner they
> are aware of, and which we are not.Yet "selfless service" indicate
> they have removed ego and the five elements as distractions and so can perform
> in a condition of personal Agape'. Having known the One Life in which they
> participate they no longer fear and can truly act in selflessness absence of
> fear.
> 
> Regards,
> John
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> From: Brown Rose 
> Yes, i was just reading Vic Martens review of Anders Nygren before you replied.
> In it he says,
> 
> "Properly speaking, only God can love in a purely "agape" sense,
> as only He is able to give of Himself without need for gain."
> I can only assume that agape is somehow the true expresion of Divine Love, for
> it is fear-free and self-interest-free (that only appears when there is fear
> anyway).
> 
> Eros would then be human-love, which is not free of fear and self-interest,
> even in a "platonic" way, as was conveyed by Plato in his Symposium.
> 
> If Jesus was soul, just like us, on the path of spiritual evolution, perhaps
> his incarnation as Jesus, and the challenges he overcame, was precisely what he
> needed to overcome what keeps us, and what kept him from achieving that agape
> state of unconditional love.
> 
> I believe that Agape has nothing to do with fear whatsover.
> 
> And as someone has said to me already, one who becomes fearless, becomes fear
> itself (to others). The two-faced coin of chesed/gevurah.
> Brown
> 
> --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Augoeides-222@comcast.net 
> wrote:
> From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net 
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 5:28 PM
> 
> Rose,
> Well here is one reference on Agape' and Eros.
> 
> "Agape and Eros" by Anders Nygren - Bishop of Lund, Translated by
> Phillip S. Watson, Harper Torch Books - Harper and Row, 1969, 764 P.
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: Brown Rose 
> I canÂt say much about agape or eros, for it is unclear to me its real
> meaning, only that perhaps eros is what drives us to seek perfection and
> justice
> for all (passion and its might) while agape is perhaps an all swallowing love
> for eveything that it is even capable of embracing and accepting the greatest
> evil done unto itself by others, just like when Christ embraced His fate with
> total confidence in Divine Love, an agape that canÂt or doesnÂt have anything
> to do with fear of any kind, thus making it boundless and without restrictions.
> Brown
> 
> Augoeides-222@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net 
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 3:13 AM
> 
> Rose,
> Romans 12:2 was a nice one that I always loved especially after I knew about
> Patanjali:
> 
> "And be not conformed to this world
> 
> but be ye transformed
> 
> by the renewing of your mind
> 
> that ye may prove
> 
> what is that good
> 
> and acceptable
> 
> and perfect
> 
> will
> 
> of god."
> 
> One thing that Madame Blavatsky made little mention of is the doctrine of
> "Agape'" even though she makes quite a bit of mention of the Eros
> doctrine.
> 
> Paul in his discourse said we are all "servants" of the lord but in
> the Greek the word used means "Slave(s)"
> 
> Slaves are in conformance to the doctrine of Agape because they posit
> themselves without reservation or consideration to be the living vehicles for
> the expression of the will and actions of diety and by doing so enter a state
> that is alleged to be requisite to have awareness of that will.
> 
> Regards,
> John (just muddying the waters a little)
> 
> ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- 
> From: Brown Rose 
> --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Morten Nymann Olesen 
> wrote:
> So I take it, that Radha Burnier in secret are promoting the New World Order,
> the Externalization of the Hierarchy within UN, the Great Invocation, and the
> return of the Christ - and - similar in accordance with the Alice A. Bailey
> groups main focus?
> 
> *** The Jews are also preparing themselves for a New World Order, and that is
> as bad as any other. 
> The New World Order has to be conquered individually and internally, it will
> never be accomplished the way people have been trying to, through
> institutionalisatio n.
> "The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." 2 Corinthians 3:6
> Brown
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