Theos-Talk Archives (January 2009 Message tt00124)

That´s alright, it´s just a "central" theme in my life nowadays.
 
The Temptation of Jesus, Mathew 4:1 - 4:12, or, The conquest of the ego and fear.
(which one comes first, is like the egg and the chiken, can never tell).
 
This conquest results in acquiring chesed/gevurah
But since only the exterior is visible in this world, what people saw was Jesus´s gevurah, 
as is told afterwards in Mathew 4:15 to 4:17, quoting the prophet Isaiah,
"Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali, the way by the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles ? 4:16 the people who sit in darkness have seen a great light,
and on those who sit in the region and shadow of death a light has dawned.? 
 
As you know, gevurah in kabbala is symbolised by the sun. Gevurah is also numerically identical to the words Yirah, awe, and Aryeh, lion.
 
Jesus´ outer appeareance after this caused dread on the people of Galilee, as it is told next in Mathew 4:17, 
"From that time Jesus began to preach this message:   ?Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.?
 
Brown

From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:57 PM

Rose,
   Thank for your comments and reply. Yes ! I agree with your view. How
Agape' strikes me viz Theosophy and in particular the Mahatama's, the
choice of the Bodhisattva Vow of "Return" and the ultimate Ideal of
Selfless Service to Mankind that is announced by Blavatsky as the pinnacle of
condition that separates them from us in our common condition. The Mahatma's
have been said to be achieved of a condition wherein they are inseparable from
the higher hierarchy and place themselves without reservation to the highest
Will of the Absolute with the implied "receipt" in some manner they
are aware of, and which we are not.Yet "selfless service" indicate
they have removed ego and the five elements as distractions and so can perform
in a condition of personal Agape'. Having known the One Life in which they
participate they no longer fear and can truly act in selflessness absence of
fear.

Regards,
John

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From: Brown Rose <splendorousbrown@yahoo.com> 
Yes, i was just reading Vic Martens review of Anders Nygren before you replied.
In it he says,

"Properly speaking, only God can love in a purely "agape" sense,
as only He is able to give of Himself without need for gain."
I can only assume that agape is somehow the true expresion of Divine Love, for
it is fear-free and self-interest-free (that only appears when there is fear
anyway).

Eros would then be human-love, which is not free of fear and self-interest,
even in a "platonic" way, as was conveyed by Plato in his Symposium.

If Jesus was soul, just like us, on the path of spiritual evolution, perhaps
his incarnation as Jesus, and the challenges he overcame, was precisely what he
needed to overcome what keeps us, and what kept him from achieving that agape
state of unconditional love.

I believe that Agape has nothing to do with fear whatsover.

And as someone has said to me already, one who becomes fearless, becomes fear
itself (to others). The two-faced coin of chesed/gevurah.
Brown

--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
wrote:
From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 5:28 PM

Rose,
Well here is one reference on Agape' and Eros.

"Agape and Eros" by Anders Nygren - Bishop of Lund, Translated by
Phillip S. Watson, Harper Torch Books - Harper and Row, 1969, 764 P.

Regards,
John

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Brown Rose <splendorousbrown@yahoo.com> 
I can´t say much about agape or eros, for it is unclear to me its real
meaning, only that perhaps eros is what drives us to seek perfection and
justice
for all (passion and its might) while agape is perhaps an all swallowing love
for eveything that it is even capable of embracing and accepting the greatest
evil done unto itself by others, just like when Christ embraced His fate with
total confidence in Divine Love, an agape that can´t or doesn´t have anything
to do with fear of any kind, thus making it boundless and without restrictions.
Brown

Augoeides-222@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Adyar's policy or non-policy?
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 3:13 AM

Rose,
Romans 12:2 was a nice one that I always loved especially after I knew about
Patanjali:

"And be not conformed to this world

but be ye transformed

by the renewing of your mind

that ye may prove

what is that good

and acceptable

and perfect

will

of god."

One thing that Madame Blavatsky made little mention of is the doctrine of
"Agape'" even though she makes quite a bit of mention of the Eros
doctrine.

Paul in his discourse said we are all "servants" of the lord but in
the Greek the word used means "Slave(s)"

Slaves are in conformance to the doctrine of Agape because they posit
themselves without reservation or consideration to be the living vehicles for
the expression of the will and actions of diety and by doing so enter a state
that is alleged to be requisite to have awareness of that will.

Regards,
John (just muddying the waters a little)

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From: Brown Rose <splendorousbrown@ yahoo.com> 
--- On Sat, 1/3/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk>
wrote:
So I take it, that Radha Burnier in secret are promoting the New World Order,
the Externalization of the Hierarchy within UN, the Great Invocation, and the
return of the Christ - and - similar in accordance with the Alice A. Bailey
groups main focus?

*** The Jews are also preparing themselves for a New World Order, and that is
as bad as any other. 
The New World Order has to be conquered individually and internally, it will
never be accomplished the way people have been trying to, through
institutionalisatio n.
"The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." 2 Corinthians 3:6
Brown

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