Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00753)

Jokela: Here are the correct facts on the letter delivery:

On the morning of  Monday, 14th May, the mailman delivered to me Betty's
letter of 11th April mailed from her home address. Your e-mail came on later
on 15th May.

mkr



On 5/24/08, Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> All the discussions here started when I received a letter from
> Betty Bland.
>
> THIS IS NOT TRUE! BETTY`S LETTER WAS AVAILABLE HERE. WHICH
> SHE SENT TO MEMBERS OF GC. AT LEAST YOU SAID HERE THAT YOU HAVE NOT
> HEARD
> ANYTHING ABOUT THE ELECTION UNTILL FIRST MESSAGES ARRIVED HERE,
> WHICH I SENT
> HERE TELLING ALL YOU THAT WE WILL VOTE BETWEEN RADHA AND JOHN,
> PLEASE VOTE.
> AS FAR AS I KNOW YOU HAD BOTH LETTERS: RADHA`s AND BETTY´s LETTER.
> AS I UNFORTUNATELY SENT THEM TO YOU OFFLINE AFTER SOMEONE UNKNOW TO ME
> ON THEOS-TALK SENT THEM TO ME. BUT YOU SHARED WITH US PUBLICLY ONLY
> RADHA`s LETTER.
> WHY SO? I BELIVE THERE IS SOMETHING BETWEEN YOU AND BETTY AND JOHN.
> THAT`S YOUR REAL MOTIVATION FOR CAMPAINING RADHA HERE. I HAVE HEARD
> THERE IS SOME HISTORY.
> ALSO SINGAPOREAN LODGE DID SERIOUS CAMPAING FOR RADHA IN THEIR
> NEWSLETTER.
> I BELIVE PEDRO IS PARTILLY RESPONSILE ABOUT IT. INDO-FERERATION
> COUNTIRES VOTES SHOULD
> BE REJECTED BECAUSE OF THAT JUST LIKE ANY OTHER COUNTIRES WHERE
> THEY HAVE DONE CAMPAINING.
> THIS IS SAID IN RULES OF TS. SO IF ELECTION WOULD BE CANCELLED IT
> SHOULD NOT HAPPEND BECAUSE OF
> ELECTIONEERING FOR JOHN BUT ALSO FOR RADHA. ALSO I WONDER WHO TO
> BELIEF. EYEWITNESS OR
> DOCTORS CERTIFICATIONS? AS I BELIVE I HAVE SHARED WITH YOU AN
> EXPERIENCE OF INDIANS DOCTOR.
> THOUGH SURE I AM NOT SURE IF IT IS SAME IN RADHA´S CASE.
>
> MAYBE WE ALL ARE IN DARK WHAT COMES TO RADHA´S OR JOHN´S HEALTH TO
> CARRY OUT THE NEXT TERM.
>
> YOU DO NOT LOOK THINGS OBJECTIVLY RAMADOSS, MAYBE BECAUSE YOU ARE
> INDIAN YOURSELF.
> WE PEOPLE ARE VERY CONDITIONED ABOUT THINGS LIKE NATIONALITY.
>
> I HOPE NEXT TIME THEY WILL ARRANGE SOMEKIND OF ONLINE INTERNET
> GALLUP, SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR
> THEIR THOUGHTS AND SEE THERI CONDITION IN REAL.
>
> PEOPLE HAS DONE THEIR VOTING. I BELIVE IT IS TIME TO STOP REPEATING
> THIS BLAA BLAA BLAA HERE.
>
> NO MATTER WHO WON THE ELECTION. PRESIDENT DOES NOT RULE OUR LIFE OR
> DOES NOT GROW FOR US.
> TS IS ALREADY SC....ED UP...by ACTIONS OF ITS LEADERS.
>
> PJo
>
> There are a large number of at-large members and many members who
> are still
> >
> > in the dark about the full picture of Radha's health due to the erroneous
> > info provided to them in Betty's letter. Only those who have access to
> > Internet and know where to find the discussions about the election
> > have more
> > information about the election. Those who do not have Internet access and
> > those who do not know where to find the info may have cast their ballots
> > based on erroneous and incomplete information, thus affecting the
> > outcome of
> > the election.
> >
> > What has happened has shattered the trust we have in our leaders. This
> > is a
> > serious matter. As I have indicated earlier, in the history of TS,
> leaders
> > have lost their positions due to human failings due to human temptations
> > whose effects were not widespread. But, in the matter of TS International
> > Election, the effects of providing erroneous info thus affecting the
> > outcome
> > may last a long time and could be world wide.
> >
> > I hope I have made my position and concerns very clear.
> >
> > M K Ramadoss
> >
> > THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH
> >
> > For quick access to all the important messages on TS International
> > Election,
> > go to:
> >
> > http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Elections_2008.htm
> > <http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Elections_2008.htm>
> >
> > On 5/23/08, Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net<jokelap%40dnainternet.net>
> > <mailto:jokelap%40dnainternet.net <jokelap%2540dnainternet.net>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Ramadoss,
> > >
> > > I JUST DO NOT BELIVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > Look at your motivations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > So, should we kick current president off her duty for electoneering?
> > > Why do not you write a letter about it to election committee?
> > >
> > > Pjo
> > >
> > > MKR kirjoitti:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Jokela
> > > >
> > > > My concern was and is how the electioneering was done. The
> > electioneering
> > > > has not helped anyone nor the TS. And I hope the GC finds a fix for
> > > > it. Let
> > > > us see what happens.
> > > >
> > > > mkr
> > > >
> > > > On 5/23/08, jokelap@dnainternet.net <jokelap%40dnainternet.net>
> > <mailto:jokelap%40dnainternet.net <jokelap%2540dnainternet.net>>
> <jokelap%40dnainternet.net> <mailto:
> > > jokelap%40dnainternet.net <jokelap%2540dnainternet.net>>
> > > > <jokelap@dnainternet.net <jokelap%40dnainternet.net> <mailto:
> jokelap%40dnainternet.net <jokelap%2540dnainternet.net>>
> > <jokelap%40dnainternet.net> <mailto:
> > > jokelap%40dnainternet.net <jokelap%2540dnainternet.net>>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > COME ON RAMADOS!
> > > > > YOu have also questioned John´s health.
> > > > > There has not been so much noice about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 22 May 2008 21:39:28 -0500
> > > > > MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com> <mailto:
> mkr777%40gmail.com <mkr777%2540gmail.com>>
> > <mkr777%40gmail.com> <mailto:mkr777%40gmail.com <mkr777%2540gmail.com>
> <mkr777%2540gmail.com>>
> > >
> > > > <mkr777%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > All the discussions that have taken place on theos-talk,
> > > > > >is not against any
> > > > > > candidate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It all got started when Radha's health issue was brought
> > > > > >up by the National
> > > > > > Secretaries in their communication to their members, to
> > > > > >influence members to
> > > > > > vote for John Algeo. The issue of Radha's poor health
> > > > > >was put to rest with
> > > > > > the doctors' certificates and first hand reports of
> > > > > >reputed members of TS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When this was done, no one took action to pass on
> > > > > >correct information to the
> > > > > > members. Those who in the first place fed erroneous
> > > > > >information to the
> > > > > > members have a responsibility of correcting the
> > > > > >misinformation when
> > > > > > subsequent factual information contradicted it. Nor John
> > > > > >Algeo distanced
> > > > > > himself from the misinformation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unfortunately, we also need to recognize the fact that
> > > > > >many members do not
> > > > > > have access to Internet and even many of those who do,
> > > > > >may not know where
> > > > > > the election information is available on the Internet.
> > > > > >As a result, even
> > > > > > today many are still under the mistaken information that
> > > > > >Radha Burnier is
> > > > > > sick and many may have voted for Algeo because of this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This leads to another more critical fundamental issue.
> > > > > >It raises the
> > > > > > question how we can trust the national leaders in the
> > > > > >future in anything
> > > > > > they say. In the past, some national leaders have lost
> > > > > >their positions
> > > > > > because of human errors due to normal human temptations.
> > > > > >The effects of such
> > > > > > human errors were local and short-term. Presenting
> > > > > >erroneous information
> > > > > > motivated with the object of getting their candidate
> > > > > >elected to the
> > > > > > International office, is far more serious. It is not a
> > > > > >human failure due to
> > > > > > human temptation. The effects on the TS are world wide
> > > > > >and long-lasting. So
> > > > > > members cannot ignore it and get on with our lives.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are right that we should make sure the French letter
> > > > > >is genuine. Some
> > > > > > weeks ago, I sent a message to Nano Leguay, the French
> > > > > >General
> > > > > > Secretary, requesting her to send me a correct English
> > > > > >translation of the
> > > > > >French letter sent to their members. To this day, I have
> > > > > >not heard from her.
> > > > > > So you can draw your own conclusion about her
> > > > > >non-response.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is where the matter stands. All the general
> > > > > >secretaries involved and
> > > > > > John Algeo, have been silent. So again, you have to come
> > > > > >to your own
> > > > > > conclusion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > M K Ramadoss
> > > > > >
> > > > > > THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH
> > > > > >
> > > > > >For quick access to all the important messages on TS
> > > > > >International Election,
> > > > > > go to:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Elections_2008.htm
> > <http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Elections_2008.htm>
> > > > <http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Elections_2008.htm
> > <http://teozofija.info/Teozofsko_gibanje/Elections_2008.htm>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 5/22/08, Konstantin Zaitzev <kay_ziatz@yahoo.com<kay_ziatz%40yahoo.com>
> > <mailto:kay_ziatz%40yahoo.com <kay_ziatz%2540yahoo.com>><kay_ziatz%
> 40yahoo.com>
> > > > <mailto:kay_ziatz%40yahoo.com <kay_ziatz%2540yahoo.com> <kay_ziatz%
> 2540yahoo.com>><kay_ziatz%
> > > 40yahoo.com>>
> > > > >
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com<theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com<theos-talk%2540yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 2540yahoogroups.com>>
> > > <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >><theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > >> "prmoliveira" <prmoliveira@...>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > True. Rule 10 explains the procedure for the election
> > > > > >>as such. As
> > > > > >> > there was a letter, dated 29 March 2008, from the
> > > > > >>Board of the
> > > > > >> > French Section to all the TS members in that country
> > > > > >>saying, among
> > > > > >> > other things, that Radha Burnier had "brain damage"
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Campaining against Algeo, which is going on almost for
> > > > > >>two months, is
> > > > > >> not the best way to fix the problem.
> > > > > >> The best decision would be to make sure that the letter
> > > > > >>is genuine,
> > > > > >> and if so, to discuss the behaviour of French GS on the
> > > > > >>General
> > > > > >> Council.
> > > > > >>
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