Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00334)

There is an election committee in Adyar. Let us see what they do.

mkr

On 5/8/08, Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net> wrote:
>
> But everyone has fell into that from Radha to Singaporean lodge and maybe
> some countries. Do your recommend cancellation? What then? ----- Original
> Message ----- From: MKR To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com<theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:02 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Election
> - A view from England - Some reflections The current problem on hand is the
> election and the election process and electioneering. Nothing to do with
> anything spiritual. mkr On 5/8/08, Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net<jokelap%40dnainternet.net>>
> wrote: > > I understand if they are more spiritual and more dedicated to
> work, so, if > that is a result of es, co-masonic or priesthood as a
> seriousness on the > path, i think it is alright. I belive behaviour and
> their teachings has > something to do as well and how they can attract
> members. All that must be > connected with all of this. So after all what is
> the problem here? PJ ----- > Original Message ----- From:
> MarieMAJ41@aol.com <MarieMAJ41%40aol.com> <MarieMAJ41%40aol.com> To: >
> theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com> <theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, > May 09, 2008 2:27 AM Subject: Re:
> Theos-World Re: TS Election - A view from > England - Some reflections
> Jokela, you are misinformed on that point, > believe me. Just look around
> you, at your headquarters, your lodges, ask > some questions. Join the ES,
> the co-masons or become involved with the > so-called bishops of the LCC,
> ask them what it takes. Yes, most assuredly it > takes work, and I have said
> that. But you are naive if you do think that any > rank and file member, who
> does NOT belong to one of these organizations will > ever hold any
> meaningful position with the TS. By meaningful, I mean where > you are voted
> on by anyone, except the local board of directors. Marie > -----Original
> Message----- From: Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net<jokelap%40dnainternet.net>
> <jokelap%40dnainternet.net>> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com<theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, 8 > May 2008 3:23 pm Subject: Re:
> Theos-World Re: TS Election - A view from > England - Some reflections It is
> not nessessary for one to belong to E.S., > Co-Masonic or LCC to become a
> national president. But useally those who are > most dedicated to work of
> TS, useally belongs to one or more oranisations > mentioned before and hold
> s a some kind of more or less important postition > in them. ----- Original
> Message ----- From: MarieMAJ41@aol.com <MarieMAJ41%40aol.com><MarieMAJ41%
> 40aol.com>To: > theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, > May 08, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re:
> Theos-World Re: TS Election - A view from > England - Some reflections Dear
> Anton and Friends, I agree with your > statements below, but want to add
> that no one within the TSA in America will > ever be nominated for any major
> office unless he or she is a member of the > ES, Co-Masonry, and/or ?Liberal
> Catholic Church. Anyone who would stand for > any major office must be
> affiliated with these organizations in addition to > prolonged laboring for
> the Theosophical Society, and h ave served on the > board of directors,??as
> well as donating freely to the causes that are > attached to these
> organizations. Even if some imprudent person would > nominate a perfectly
> capable and life-long theosophist, if they are not > members of these
> organizations, their nominations would be dimissed?, > because the powers
> that be that control the entire workings of the society > are members of
> these groups. No outsider need apply. And it is too bad. And > the
> inbreeding will continue. Marie -----Original Message----- From: Anton >
> Rozman <anton_rozman@yahoo.com <anton_rozman%40yahoo.com> <anton_rozman%
> 40yahoo.com>> To: > theos-talk@yahoogroups.com<theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, 8 May > 2008 2:39 am Subject: Theos-World
> Re: TS Election - A view from England - > Some reflections It is high time
> we institute formal measures to revoke the > membership of those who
> demonstrably act against the cause of truth and the > best interests of our
> Society. ...... .. ........................... I can > agree only with the
> half of this statement because institution of formal > measures to revoke
> the membership would drag us into the process of mutual > accusations which
> could easily end with the total disruption of the Society. > Instead, I
> would propose that we should institute formal measures for those > who are
> eligible for the offices in the Theosophical Society. Namely, we > should
> recognize that we are not dealing with only one organization but with >
> several organizations within one organization and that such situation is >
> simply intolerable and that it leads towards the dissipation of the Society.
> > The problem was to some degree already addressed by Geoffrey Farthing in
> his > Manifesto 1996 http://www.teosofia.com/1996_GAF_Manifesto.html and
> its > Supplement http://www.teosofia.com/1997_GAF_Supple ment.html which
> didn't > find an adequate response within the Society, so that we are now
> facing the > consequences. Maybe, the problem with Farthing's message was
> that he > addressed two different issues, institutional and prevalently that
> of the > teachings and was therefore rejected as extreme. Membership in
> Esoteric > Section, Co-freemasonry, Liberal Catholic Church, T.O.S., or any
> other > organization is not incompatible with the membership in the
> Theosophical > Society but it should be, because of conflict of interests
> and because of > the need of one's complete dedication, incompatible with
> the eligibility for > any office in the Theosophical Society. If we treat
> different circular > letters which disrupted actual election process as
> private then we miss the > point. One "private" letter strangely found its
> way to various "opinion > makers" in the Society, second used some other
> information line and so on. > We are dealing with establish ed ways of
> communication wh ich are in direct > opposition and are disrupting the
> formal proceedings established in the > Rules and Regulations of the
> Theosophical Society. And with proper analysis > we could probably link
> these communication lines with the organizations and > some others informal
> connections existing in the Society. Therefore, in my > view, we shouldn't
> involve ourselves in some evoking membership process but > make a step
> forward and adhere rigorously to the Principles and Rules of the > Society
> and find some common sense solutions. Best regards, Anton --- In >
> theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com> <theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR <mkr777@...> > wrote: > > I just received a msg
> from Edi D. Bilimoria, a long-time member > from > England. I am quoting
> from it since it raises some very valid > questions > regarding the
> Election. > > mkr > ================ > > > "I > would like to add my own
> testimonial regarding Radha Burnier's state of > > mind, p lus my response
> to the letter from the French National Board - > please > see attached. > >
> I am utterly dismayed by the following: > > 1. To > fabricate Radha
> Burnier's supposed 'brain damaged' and 'weakened mind' > > state when: (a)
> hard medical evidence from two Doctors, one a Professor of > > Medicine,
> indicates the very contrary - please see attached (b) personal, > > eye
> witness accounts of Radha Burnier's performance at the last Convention > >
> have stated that she was able to deliver her Convention speech standing for
> > > one and a half hours (c) facts about her recent travels on duty in
> India. > > > 2. Then to perform such actions under the thin guise of doing
> it 'for > the > good and welfare of our Society', distribute it widely, and
> sign a > letter > with words such as 'fraternally'. > > 3. For the
> International > Vice-President NOT to speak out in defense of such > rabid
> attack against > the International President. > > 4. For lobbying and
> electioneering > activists to present just one side of > the story - Radha
> Burnier's > *supposed* weakened state of mind - and not > mention the facts
> on the other > side. > > Indeed the Chairman of British Telecom once
> remarked: *I have > consistently > observed that the amount of back-stabbing
> and skullduggery in > an > organization is directly proportional to the
> nobility of its ideals.* > Sadly, > he seems to be right. > > May I kindly
> remind all that we are TRUTH > LOVING AND TRUTH SEEKING SOCIETY. >
> Compromise that and we plunge into an > Avitchi of political mayhem. > > I
> AM OUTRAGED BY THIS BREACH OF THE > *FUNDAMENTAL CORE-ETHIC* OF OUR SOCIETY.
> > > It is high time we institute > formal measures to revoke the membership
> of > those who demonstrably act > against the cause of truth and the best
> interests > of our Society. > > With > best wishes in upholding the Truth >
> > Edi D. Bilimoria" > > > [Non-text > portions of this message have been
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