Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00331)

The current problem on hand is the election and the election process and
electioneering. Nothing to do with anything spiritual.

mkr

On 5/8/08, Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net> wrote:
>
> I understand if they are more spiritual and more dedicated to work, so, if
> that is a result of es, co-masonic or priesthood as a seriousness on the
> path, i think it is alright. I belive behaviour and their teachings has
> something to do as well and how they can attract members. All that must be
> connected with all of this. So after all what is the problem here? PJ -----
> Original Message ----- From: MarieMAJ41@aol.com <MarieMAJ41%40aol.com> To:
> theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday,
> May 09, 2008 2:27 AM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Election - A view from
> England - Some reflections Jokela, you are misinformed on that point,
> believe me. Just look around you, at your headquarters, your lodges, ask
> some questions. Join the ES, the co-masons or become involved with the
> so-called bishops of the LCC, ask them what it takes. Yes, most assuredly it
> takes work, and I have said that. But you are naive if you do think that any
> rank and file member, who does NOT belong to one of these organizations will
> ever hold any meaningful position with the TS. By meaningful, I mean where
> you are voted on by anyone, except the local board of directors. Marie
> -----Original Message----- From: Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net<jokelap%40dnainternet.net>>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, 8
> May 2008 3:23 pm Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Election - A view from
> England - Some reflections It is not nessessary for one to belong to E.S.,
> Co-Masonic or LCC to become a national president. But useally those who are
> most dedicated to work of TS, useally belongs to one or more oranisations
> mentioned before and hold s a some kind of more or less important postition
> in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: MarieMAJ41@aol.com<MarieMAJ41%40aol.com>To:
> theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday,
> May 08, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Election - A view from
> England - Some reflections Dear Anton and Friends, I agree with your
> statements below, but want to add that no one within the TSA in America will
> ever be nominated for any major office unless he or she is a member of the
> ES, Co-Masonry, and/or ?Liberal Catholic Church. Anyone who would stand for
> any major office must be affiliated with these organizations in addition to
> prolonged laboring for the Theosophical Society, and h ave served on the
> board of directors,??as well as donating freely to the causes that are
> attached to these organizations. Even if some imprudent person would
> nominate a perfectly capable and life-long theosophist, if they are not
> members of these organizations, their nominations would be dimissed?,
> because the powers that be that control the entire workings of the society
> are members of these groups. No outsider need apply. And it is too bad. And
> the inbreeding will continue. Marie -----Original Message----- From: Anton
> Rozman <anton_rozman@yahoo.com <anton_rozman%40yahoo.com>> To:
> theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, 8 May
> 2008 2:39 am Subject: Theos-World Re: TS Election - A view from England -
> Some reflections It is high time we institute formal measures to revoke the
> membership of those who demonstrably act against the cause of truth and the
> best interests of our Society. ...... .. ........................... I can
> agree only with the half of this statement because institution of formal
> measures to revoke the membership would drag us into the process of mutual
> accusations which could easily end with the total disruption of the Society.
> Instead, I would propose that we should institute formal measures for those
> who are eligible for the offices in the Theosophical Society. Namely, we
> should recognize that we are not dealing with only one organization but with
> several organizations within one organization and that such situation is
> simply intolerable and that it leads towards the dissipation of the Society.
> The problem was to some degree already addressed by Geoffrey Farthing in his
> Manifesto 1996 http://www.teosofia.com/1996_GAF_Manifesto.html and its
> Supplement http://www.teosofia.com/1997_GAF_Supple ment.html which didn't
> find an adequate response within the Society, so that we are now facing the
> consequences. Maybe, the problem with Farthing's message was that he
> addressed two different issues, institutional and prevalently that of the
> teachings and was therefore rejected as extreme. Membership in Esoteric
> Section, Co-freemasonry, Liberal Catholic Church, T.O.S., or any other
> organization is not incompatible with the membership in the Theosophical
> Society but it should be, because of conflict of interests and because of
> the need of one's complete dedication, incompatible with the eligibility for
> any office in the Theosophical Society. If we treat different circular
> letters which disrupted actual election process as private then we miss the
> point. One "private" letter strangely found its way to various "opinion
> makers" in the Society, second used some other information line and so on.
> We are dealing with establish ed ways of communication wh ich are in direct
> opposition and are disrupting the formal proceedings established in the
> Rules and Regulations of the Theosophical Society. And with proper analysis
> we could probably link these communication lines with the organizations and
> some others informal connections existing in the Society. Therefore, in my
> view, we shouldn't involve ourselves in some evoking membership process but
> make a step forward and adhere rigorously to the Principles and Rules of the
> Society and find some common sense solutions. Best regards, Anton --- In
> theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR <mkr777@...>
> wrote: > > I just received a msg from Edi D. Bilimoria, a long-time member
> from > England. I am quoting from it since it raises some very valid
> questions > regarding the Election. > > mkr > ================ > > > "I
> would like to add my own testimonial regarding Radha Burnier's state of >
> mind, p lus my response to the letter from the French National Board -
> please > see attached. > > I am utterly dismayed by the following: > > 1. To
> fabricate Radha Burnier's supposed 'brain damaged' and 'weakened mind' >
> state when: (a) hard medical evidence from two Doctors, one a Professor of >
> Medicine, indicates the very contrary - please see attached (b) personal, >
> eye witness accounts of Radha Burnier's performance at the last Convention >
> have stated that she was able to deliver her Convention speech standing for
> > one and a half hours (c) facts about her recent travels on duty in India.
> > > 2. Then to perform such actions under the thin guise of doing it 'for
> the > good and welfare of our Society', distribute it widely, and sign a
> letter > with words such as 'fraternally'. > > 3. For the International
> Vice-President NOT to speak out in defense of such > rabid attack against
> the International President. > > 4. For lobbying and electioneering
> activists to present just one side of > the story - Radha Burnier's
> *supposed* weakened state of mind - and not > mention the facts on the other
> side. > > Indeed the Chairman of British Telecom once remarked: *I have
> consistently > observed that the amount of back-stabbing and skullduggery in
> an > organization is directly proportional to the nobility of its ideals.*
> Sadly, > he seems to be right. > > May I kindly remind all that we are TRUTH
> LOVING AND TRUTH SEEKING SOCIETY. > Compromise that and we plunge into an
> Avitchi of political mayhem. > > I AM OUTRAGED BY THIS BREACH OF THE
> *FUNDAMENTAL CORE-ETHIC* OF OUR SOCIETY. > > It is high time we institute
> formal measures to revoke the membership of > those who demonstrably act
> against the cause of truth and the best interests > of our Society. > > With
> best wishes in upholding the Truth > > Edi D. Bilimoria" > > > [Non-text
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