Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00324)

Jokela, you are misinformed on that point, believe me. Just look around you, at your headquarters, your lodges, ask some questions. Join the ES, the co-masons or become involved with the so-called bishops of the LCC, ask them what it takes. Yes, most assuredly it takes work, and I have said that. But you are naive if you do think that any rank and file member, who does NOT belong to one of these organizations will ever hold any meaningful position with the TS. By meaningful, I mean where you are voted on by anyone, except the local board of directors.

Marie


-----Original Message-----
From: Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 8 May 2008 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Election - A view from England - Some reflections






It is not nessessary for one to belong to E.S., Co-Masonic or LCC to become a national president. But useally those who are most dedicated to work of TS, useally belongs to one or more oranisations mentioned before and hold s a some kind of more or less important postition in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: MarieMAJ41@aol.com To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: TS Election - A view from England - Some reflections Dear Anton and Friends, I agree with your statements below, but want to add that no one within the TSA in America will ever be nominated for any major office unless he or she is a member of the ES, Co-Masonry, and/or ?Liberal Catholic Church. Anyone who would stand for any major office must be affiliated with these organizations in addition to prolonged laboring for the Theosophical Society, and have served on the board of directors,??as well as donating freely to the causes that are attached to these organizations. Even if some imprudent person would nominate a perfectly capable and life-long theosophist, if they are not members of these organizations, their nominations would be dimissed?, because the powers that be that control the entire workings of the society are members of these groups. No outsider need apply. And it is too bad. And the inbreeding will continue. Marie -----Original Message----- From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@yahoo.com> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 8 May 2008 2:39 am Subject: Theos-World Re: TS Election - A view from England - Some reflections It is high time we institute formal measures to revoke the membership of those who demonstrably act against the cause of truth and the best interests of our Society. ...... ............................. I can agree only with the half of this statement because institution of formal measures to revoke the membership would drag us into the process of mutual accusations which could easily end with the total disruption of the Society. Instead, I would propose that we should institute formal measures for those who are eligible for the offices in the Theosophical Society. Namely, we should recognize that we are not dealing with only one organization but with several organizations within one organization and that such situation is simply intolerable and that it leads towards the dissipation of the Society. The problem was to some degree already addressed by Geoffrey Farthing in his Manifesto 1996 http://www.teosofia.com/1996_GAF_Manifesto.html and its Supplement http://www.teosofia.com/1997_GAF_Supplement.html which didn't find an adequate response within the Society, so that we are now facing the consequences. Maybe, the problem with Farthing's message was that he addressed two different issues, institutional and prevalently that of the teachings and was therefore rejected as extreme. Membership in Esoteric Section, Co-freemasonry, Liberal Catholic Church, T.O.S., or any other organization is not incompatible with the membership in the Theosophical Society but it should be, because of conflict of interests and because of the need of one's complete dedication, incompatible with the eligibility for any office in the Theosophical Society. If we treat different circular letters which disrupted actual election process as private then we miss the point. One "private" letter strangely found its way to various "opinion makers" in the Society, second used some other information line and so on. We are dealing with establish ed ways of communication which are in direct opposition and are disrupting the formal proceedings established in the Rules and Regulations of the Theosophical Society. And with proper analysis we could probably link these communication lines with the organizations and some others informal connections existing in the Society. Therefore, in my view, we shouldn't involve ourselves in some evoking membership process but make a step forward and adhere rigorously to the Principles and Rules of the Society and find some common sense solutions. Best regards, Anton --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote: > > I just received a msg from Edi D. Bilimoria, a long-time member from > England. I am quoting from it since it raises some very valid questions > regarding the Election. > > mkr > ================ > > > "I would like to add my own testimonial regarding Radha Burnier's state of > mind, plus my response to the letter from the French National Board - please > see attached. > > I am utterly dismayed by the following: > > 1. To fabricate Radha Burnier's supposed 'brain damaged' and 'weakened mind' > state when: (a) hard medical evidence from two Doctors, one a Professor of > Medicine, indicates the very contrary - please see attached (b) personal, > eye witness accounts of Radha Burnier's performance at the last Convention > have stated that she was able to deliver her Convention speech standing for > one and a half hours (c) facts about her recent travels on duty in India. > > 2. Then to perform such actions under the thin guise of doing it 'for the > good and welfare of our Society', distribute it widely, and sign a letter > with words such as 'fraternally'. > > 3. For the International Vice-President NOT to speak out in defense of such > rabid attack against the International President. > > 4. For lobbying and electioneering activists to present just one side of > the story - Radha Burnier's *supposed* weakened state of mind - and not > mention the facts on the other side. > > Indeed the Chairman of British Telecom once remarked: *I have consistently > observed that the amount of back-stabbing and skullduggery in an > organization is directly proportional to the nobility of its ideals.* Sadly, > he seems to be right. > > May I kindly remind all that we are TRUTH LOVING AND TRUTH SEEKING SOCIETY. > Compromise that and we plunge into an Avitchi of political mayhem. > > I AM OUTRAGED BY THIS BREACH OF THE *FUNDAMENTAL CORE-ETHIC* OF OUR SOCIETY. > > It is high time we institute formal measures to revoke the membership of > those who demonstrably act against the cause of truth and the best interests > of our Society. > > With best wishes in upholding the Truth > > Edi D. Bilimoria" > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------------------------- 
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