Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00323)

Dear Marie,

I witnessed that just members of these organizations were provoking 
constant tensions and atmosphere of fear in the society. And now we 
can all see how this struggle for power is trying to divide 
membership. Hopefully the things will change.

Anton 


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MarieMAJ41@... wrote:
>
> 
> Dear Anton and Friends,
> 
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> 
> I agree with your statements below, but want to add that no one 
within the TSA in America will ever be nominated for any major office 
unless he or she is a member of the ES, Co-Masonry, and/or ?Liberal 
Catholic Church. Anyone who would stand for any major office must be 
affiliated with these organizations in addition to prolonged laboring 
for the Theosophical Society, and have served on the board of 
directors,??as well as donating freely to the causes that are 
attached to these organizations. Even if some imprudent person would 
nominate a perfectly capable and life-long theosophist, if they are 
not members of these organizations, their nominations would be 
dimissed?, because the powers that be that control the entire 
workings of the society are members of these groups. No outsider need 
apply.
> And it is too bad. And the inbreeding will continue.
> 
> Marie
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@...>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 8 May 2008 2:39 am
> Subject: Theos-World Re: TS Election - A view from England - Some 
reflections
> 
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> It is high time we institute formal measures to revoke the 
membership 
> of those who demonstrably act against the cause of truth and the 
best 
> interests of our Society.
> 
> ...................................
> 
> I can agree only with the half of this statement because 
institution 
> of formal measures to revoke the membership would drag us into the 
> process of mutual accusations which could easily end with the total 
> disruption of the Society. 
> 
> Instead, I would propose that we should institute formal measures 
for 
> those who are eligible for the offices in the Theosophical Society. 
> Namely, we should recognize that we are not dealing with only one 
> organization but with several organizations within one organization 
> and that such situation is simply intolerable and that it leads 
> towards the dissipation of the Society. 
> 
> The problem was to some degree already addressed by Geoffrey 
Farthing 
> in his Manifesto 1996 
http://www.teosofia.com/1996_GAF_Manifesto.html 
> and its Supplement http://www.teosofia.com/1997_GAF_Supplement.html 
> which didn't find an adequate response within the Society, so that 
we 
> are now facing the consequences. Maybe, the problem with Farthing's 
> message was that he addressed two different issues, institutional 
and 
> prevalently that of the teachings and was therefore rejected as 
> extreme.
> 
> Membership in Esoteric Section, Co-freemasonry, Liberal Catholic 
> Church, T.O.S., or any other organization is not incompatible with 
> the membership in the Theosophical Society but it should be, 
because 
> of conflict of interests and because of the need of one's complete 
> dedication, incompatible with the eligibility for any office in the 
> Theosophical Society. 
> 
> If we treat different circular letters which disrupted actual 
> election process as private then we miss the point. One "private" 
> letter strangely found its way to various "opinion makers" in the 
> Society, second used some other information line and so on. We are 
> dealing with established ways of communication which are in direct 
> opposition and are disrupting the formal proceedings established in 
> the Rules and Regulations of the Theosophical Society. And with 
> proper analysis we could probably link these communication lines 
with 
> the organizations and some others informal connections existing in 
> the Society.
> 
> Therefore, in my view, we shouldn't involve ourselves in some 
evoking 
> membership process but make a step forward and adhere rigorously to 
> the Principles and Rules of the Society and find some common sense 
> solutions.
> 
> Best regards,
> Anton
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@> wrote:
> >
> > I just received a msg from Edi D. Bilimoria, a long-time member 
from
> > England. I am quoting from it since it raises some very valid 
> questions
> > regarding the Election.
> > 
> > mkr
> > ================
> > 
> > 
> > "I would like to add my own testimonial regarding Radha Burnier's 
> state of
> > mind, plus my response to the letter from the French National 
> Board - please
> > see attached.
> > 
> > I am utterly dismayed by the following:
> > 
> > 1. To fabricate Radha Burnier's supposed 'brain damaged' 
> and 'weakened mind'
> > state when: (a) hard medical evidence from two Doctors, one a 
> Professor of
> > Medicine, indicates the very contrary - please see attached (b) 
> personal,
> > eye witness accounts of Radha Burnier's performance at the last 
> Convention
> > have stated that she was able to deliver her Convention speech 
> standing for
> > one and a half hours (c) facts about her recent travels on duty 
in 
> India.
> > 
> > 2. Then to perform such actions under the thin guise of doing 
> it 'for the
> > good and welfare of our Society', distribute it widely, and sign 
> a letter
> > with words such as 'fraternally'.
> > 
> > 3. For the International Vice-President NOT to speak out in 
defense 
> of such
> > rabid attack against the International President.
> > 
> > 4. For lobbying and electioneering activists to present just one 
> side of
> > the story - Radha Burnier's *supposed* weakened state of mind - 
and 
> not
> > mention the facts on the other side.
> > 
> > Indeed the Chairman of British Telecom once remarked: *I have 
> consistently
> > observed that the amount of back-stabbing and skullduggery in an
> > organization is directly proportional to the nobility of its 
> ideals.* Sadly,
> > he seems to be right.
> > 
> > May I kindly remind all that we are TRUTH LOVING AND TRUTH 
SEEKING 
> SOCIETY.
> > Compromise that and we plunge into an Avitchi of political mayhem.
> > 
> > I AM OUTRAGED BY THIS BREACH OF THE *FUNDAMENTAL CORE-ETHIC* OF 
OUR 
> SOCIETY.
> > 
> > It is high time we institute formal measures to revoke the 
> membership of
> > those who demonstrably act against the cause of truth and the 
best 
> interests
> > of our Society.
> > 
> > With best wishes in upholding the Truth
> > 
> > Edi D. Bilimoria"
> > 
> > 
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