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Re: Theos-World Response to Andrew on Population

May 22, 1999 03:39 PM
by W. Dallas TenBroeck

May 22 1999

HPB in THE KEY TO THEOSOPHY says on p. 145, and 191-2 that
the average time in Devachan is between 10 and 15 centuries.
This gives us a clue as to the cycle of civilization when an
average number of Egos reincarnate.

The actual time for each devachanic interlude is of course
individual and entirely regulated by Karma.  The spread is
said to be from a few years (in the case of the death of
young children) to up to 10,000 of our years depending on
the amount of
"spiritual" material for devachanic meditation that has been

There are a number of other references to this cycle
scattered through the original writings.



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Subject: Re: Theos-World Response to Andrew on Population

> In a message dated 5/7/99 4:07:21 PM,
> writes:
> (Andrew)
> << >> G de Purucker commented on the same subject once
that human beings
> >>are out of incarnation much longer than we are in
incarnation - ie we
> >>are literally a long time dead! There is therefore, a
much larger
> >>reservior of souls out of incarnation than on the Earth
at any one time
> >>(he said, I believe by a ratio of 100 to 1).>>
> (Jerry)
> >Andrew, although I am a fan of G de P, his 100 to 1 ratio
> >not enough to account for the time spent out of
> >He also said that the average lifetime on Earth was about
> >15 years (probably true), and that this meant an average
> >between-life-time of 1,500 years.  Of course, this means
> >that if we live 80 years, we can expect a
> >of 8,000 years.  That still doesn't make it, because we
> >know very well that 8,000 years ago there were not this
> >many people in incarnation.
> What relationship has the length of time between
incarnations got to do with
> the lifetime of any individual--or even the "average
lifetime on Earth"?  I
> thought that theosophy teaches it is individual Karma that
determines the
> time out of body between lives.  If the Universal Laws of
cycles apply to all
> karmic causes and effects, and if such karma is self
determined, how can a
> mere ratio of those in or out of the body be any
determinant of how short or
> long any one individual takes to reincarnate?
> >The archeological evidence
> >suggests to me that the 100 to 1 ratio is a very gross
> >yardstick, because most of us are likely in
> >for as much as 10,000 or even 100,000 to 1 ratios.
> Upon what evidence or reference to the teachings do you
base such
> assumptions?  What archeological evidence is there to
suggest any such
> ratios?  Perucker's opinions as well as yours have no
weight in determining
> these facts and such assertions are highly misleading to
those unfamiliar
> with the fundamental teachings as well as with the natural
laws that govern
> the initiation and the fulfillment of karma.  As they say,
> repeats"--and this to could also have an effect as to when
a particular karma
> initiated in one time cycle is capable of being resolved
in another similar
> period.  Those who NEED such an historical repeat to
resolve a particular
> karma, could very well wait until such time to
reincarnate.  And, this
> in-between life period could be of any length of time as
determined by such a
> NEED in conjunction with the historical cycle.  Tha fact
that we are in a
> repeat of the Roman Empire cycle, and that the majority of
us here now
> (running the new Roman [American] Empire show) had their
last life around1500
> years ago, is the only determinant of that particular
average cycle of
> reincarnation, as HPB pointed out.
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