Theos-Talk Archives (May 1999ar Message tt00112)

In a message dated 5/7/99 4:07:21 PM, schuelergerald@optec-hq.optec.army.mil 
writes:

(Andrew)
<< >> G de Purucker commented on the same subject once that human beings
>>are out of incarnation much longer than we are in incarnation - ie we
>>are literally a long time dead! There is therefore, a much larger
>>reservior of souls out of incarnation than on the Earth at any one time
>>(he said, I believe by a ratio of 100 to 1).>>

(Jerry)
>Andrew, although I am a fan of G de P, his 100 to 1 ratio is
>not enough to account for the time spent out of incarnation.
>He also said that the average lifetime on Earth was about
>15 years (probably true), and that this meant an average
>between-life-time of 1,500 years.  Of course, this means
>that if we live 80 years, we can expect a between-life-time
>of 8,000 years.  That still doesn't make it, because we
>know very well that 8,000 years ago there were not this
>many people in incarnation.  

What relationship has the length of time between incarnations got to do with 
the lifetime of any individual--or even the "average lifetime on Earth"?  I 
thought that theosophy teaches it is individual Karma that determines the 
time out of body between lives.  If the Universal Laws of cycles apply to all 
karmic causes and effects, and if such karma is self determined, how can a 
mere ratio of those in or out of the body be any determinant of how short or 
long any one individual takes to reincarnate? 

>The archeological evidence
>suggests to me that the 100 to 1 ratio is a very gross 
>yardstick, because most of us are likely in dis-embodiment
>for as much as 10,000 or even 100,000 to 1 ratios.

Upon what evidence or reference to the teachings do you base such 
assumptions?  What archeological evidence is there to suggest any such 
ratios?  Perucker's opinions as well as yours have no weight in determining 
these facts and such assertions are highly misleading to those unfamiliar 
with the fundamental teachings as well as with the natural laws that govern 
the initiation and the fulfillment of karma.  As they say, "history 
repeats"--and this to could also have an effect as to when a particular karma 
initiated in one time cycle is capable of being resolved in another similar 
period.  Those who NEED such an historical repeat to resolve a particular 
karma, could very well wait until such time to reincarnate.  And, this 
in-between life period could be of any length of time as determined by such a 
NEED in conjunction with the historical cycle.  Tha fact that we are in a 
repeat of the Roman Empire cycle, and that the majority of us here now 
(running the new Roman [American] Empire show) had their last life around1500 
years ago, is the only determinant of that particular average cycle of 
reincarnation, as HPB pointed out.  

LHM


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