Theos-Talk Archives (May 2012 Message tt00190)

Thanks Daniel (!)
 I mean it. 

Some more views in the below seeking to help us all...

The words: "Great mutual toleration" given by Blavatsky (Co-founder of the original TS, 1875-1891) - comes to my mind in all of the following...

I recall that W. Q. Judge in the early days of the Theosophical Society had to wait several months before membership began increasing in USA. So I and others just have to be patient. After all, when the - basis - and the fundament is a solid rock to be build on, and, the ground is solid - the whole activity can only run in a direction helping humanity. And truly help all theosophical organisations to meet on Neutral ground (ie. Non-sectarian ground ! !) - once more. --- And as well --- all esoterical and New Age organisations, etc., etc. - who are invited like in the old days (while orthodox theosophy is deemphasized).

It is only through mutual respect for each other --- and ONLY by giving DUE EMPHASIS TO THE ORIGINAL NON-SECTARIAN OBJECTS in the early Theosophical Society 1875-1891, and the Constitutions of that period ---- that the many theosophical organisations and related ones ever will be able to become (if possible) prime examples on Altruism - not through the opposite agenda. - We might disagree - but - let us in open well meant exchanges seek to help each other and all humanity and the Universe.

We might fail....but we aught not to go and do the opposite of altruism, when a person put one foot - just - a centimeter or so across the - more or less invisible demarcation-line of altruism, or what is perceived as altruism by some, and not by others.  (Who told anybody that - the number three - is the "lucky" number?) --- If the theosophical organisations and related ones forget this, where will will we then go?  I just ask?

As I see it:
Kind-heartedness and true Altruism is always Absolutely Non-sectarian in its nature (and clearly express this) and understand what the term Non-Sectarian implies with regard to altruism versus the term Sectarian with regard to altruism. And organisation forgetting this must clearly lack something important and vital.
Lack of open-minded self-criticism - can never be called the apex of altruism.

One may always ask me any question also in private emails (global-theosophy@L79Yf59MXYEQkBuwKd8T6MxF8DiAXIkYhDN0XWVovQXEb9AqiraJwaWZNmubY6uLsD5lmcQ3Rh_pUN8SvbPFGnho03e0Bso.yahoo.invalid)
I am, as something new, a member of a newly created minor study group here in Denmark (Scandinavia) according to Holistic lines similar to the Non-Sectarian ones given in the 1890 Constitution of the Theosophical Society and the recent named forum. When we grow in membership to a needed size --- a real nucleus organisation will no doubt be sought created.


The following PDF might be worthwhile having in mind, although the organizational structure of the body, here in mention, is not really that Non-sectarian in its nature: 

Towards a Global Ethic:
(With the Golden Rule included: "We must treat others as we wish others to treat us.")
http://www.parliamentofreligions.org/_includes/FCKcontent/File/TowardsAGlobalEthic.pdf

We must treat others as we wish others to treat us --- is the Golden Rule. And this Golden Rule will never succeed if one organize altruism through a self-elected Elite Group - while one effectivly avoid creating a Absolutely Non-Sectarian atmosphere and organisation. This must be a logical truth.

Let us not forget the following was a part of the original programe in the early days of the Theosophical Society...
The term Non-Sectarian is to be found defined here in the 1890 Consitution of the TS, while Dogmatism and materialism is sought avoided in it as well:

CONSTITUTION AND RULES OF THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY
"ARTICLE I"
.......
The Theosophical Society is absolutely unsectarian"
.......
"ARTICLE XIII
Offences

1. Any Fellow who shall in any way attempt to involve the Society In political disputes shall be immediately expelled.

2. No Fellow, Officer, or Council of the Theosophical Society, or of any Section or Branch thereof, shall promulgate or maintain any doctrines being that advanced, or advocated by the Society.
http://www.teozofija.info/tsmembers/Rules_1890.htm

>From HPB's Original Programe Manuscript:
"(1) The Founders had to exercise all their influence to oppose selfishness of any kind, by insisting upon sincere, fraternal feelings among the Members-at least outwardly; working for it to bring about a spirit of unity and harmony, the great diversity of creeds notwithstanding; expecting and demanding from the Fellows, a great mutual toleration and charity for each other's shortcomings; mutual help in the research of truths in every domain-moral or physical-and even, in daily life. "
.......
"(2) They had to oppose in the strongest manner possible anything approaching dogmatic faith and fanaticism-belief in the infallibility of the Masters, or even in the very existence of our invisible Teachers, having to be checked from the first. On the other hand, as a great respect for the private views and creeds of every member was demanded, any Fellow criticising the faith or belief of another Fellow, hurting his feelings, or showing a reprehensible self-assertion, unasked (mutual friendly advices were a duty unless declined)-such a member incurred expulsion. The greatest spirit of free research untrammelled by anyone or anything, had to be encouraged."
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v7/yxxxx_019.htm

Great mutual toleration - aught not to be dwarfed and put in the trashca - in an organisation which parimary aim is to promulgate Altruism.
Those who are so thin-skinned - that they disallow - well meant criticism which are offering betterments and improvements in altruism, according to the main object in a Non-Sectarian Society, can hardly be called honest seekers after truth and altruism. On the other hand people harssing each other will never help promulagte altruism either. Misunderstandings occur - but then they aught to be cleared and unrawelled - with mutual respect and toleration - and not linger on....and on. We do make mistake. Just show me any among any of the "leaders" so-called on any theosophical forum or theosophical organisation without any mistake at all on their banner? Should they be treated differently - just because the call themselves "leaders"? I say: No. --- But these are just my views, which I find logical.

All the above are of course just my views. I present them from my heart seeking to promote altruism.
I will gladly change them if someone are able to prove them wrong or irrelevant.



M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 8:25 PM
  Subject: theos-talk Sufilight on a certain Forum


    
  Sufilight you write:
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  Is it not the plain truth that the Leadership in above named forum - in silence
  NOT known by the members of the forum - almost monthly throws a number of
  persons out of the forum and hampers and "gags" happy and wellmeant freedom of
  speech members with warnings as if THEIR (the Leaderships) freedom of speech law
  is equal to altruism? And that is caled a prime example of Altruism?
  But maybe I am mistaken and should avoid asking well meant questions.
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  No, please continue asking these questions.

  Remember we are dealing here with human beings. Whether part of the major theosophical groups or members of such Internet groups, humans and their human nature is more or less the same everywhere. See Master KH's remarks on human nature in the first letter he ever wrote to A.P. Sinnett.

  The "failings" of the major organizations are repeated in such internet groups' too.

  Those who think they are liberal minded and free thinking can sometimes become quite dictatorial and even ruthless in their interactions with others especially when they find themselves in "power" positions of authority and therefore become "gate keepers".

  They end up becoming part of a cabal excercising dictatorial power and constituting themselves the judge and jury of other members. They issue what amounts to edicts that are final....they then remain silent and refuse to further commication and interactions with those whom they have expelled. 

  Don't get me wrong....we all can succumb to that side of our human nature and we all are less than perfect...far from it.

  So beware Sufilight even you and I in a similar position might act no better and possibly would be even worse! lol

  Therefore when we paint the powers that be at Adyar or Wheaton or Los Angeles or elsewhere (even in Internet organizations with no real "brick and mortar" headquarters) as "negative" in some aspect, could we do better? If you think so, form your own group and put into practice what you have often written of late in this forum. hopefully you will suceed...only time will tell....

  daniel



  

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