Theos-Talk Archives (May 2011 Message tt00037)

The article from the theos conference says that Jung and Theosophy have many 
similar aspects to their respective teachings.
Cass

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>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@O1EicH4onE__yVdA-5OVIJE2f2pU2O-rzOXIrtqe3S7534LGGERCWPP2oHUilBDntKkLTOzF8ueTRfhyp285fbO1jC4.yahoo.invalid>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sat, 7 May, 2011 12:37:49 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Theosophy, Carl Jung and the "Tibetan Book of the Dead"
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>Disagree upon what?
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Cass Silva 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:46 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Theosophy, Carl Jung and the "Tibetan Book of the Dead"
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>Some would disagree
>Cass
>http://theosconf.org/MAY%20ITCMAGPRINTVERSION1.pdf
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>>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@O1EicH4onE__yVdA-5OVIJE2f2pU2O-rzOXIrtqe3S7534LGGERCWPP2oHUilBDntKkLTOzF8ueTRfhyp285fbO1jC4.yahoo.invalid>
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Fri, 6 May, 2011 1:48:27 AM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Theosophy, Carl Jung and the "Tibetan Book of the 
Dead"
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>>Dear Joaquim
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>>My views are:
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>>I agree very much with you.
>>My stance is however, that C. G. Jung was not rejecting the idea of 
>>philosophical considerations. He in fact considers the importance or 
>>non-importance of the doctrine on reincarnation etc.
>>His point of view was merely scientific - instead of fantatical or only 
>>belief-based. The doctrines on the Law of karma and reincarnation aught not to 

>>be forwarded as dogmas, but as hypothesises. Yet, I do also find that C. G. 
>>Jung's appearnt level of hesitation and reluctancy in suggesting what to put 
>>instead of these doctrines is a mistake on his part. So I will square it a 
>>little, and recommend that one seek to understand Jung's scientific approach. Of 
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>>course it is not a promotion of ethics in the same manner as the promoters of 
>>the doctrines on the Law of karma and reincarnation are doinf, - this - as you 

>>seem to say, can be shown from his reluctance in considering these doctrine 
>>compared to other ethics.
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>>But since Theosophy early on was defined as - the exact Science on Psychology - 
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>>by the magazine The Theosophist in Volume I, no 1, 1879 - I find it important to 
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>>compare the two positions - as scientifically as possible - with an eye on 
>>psychological aspects as well as philosophical aspect.
>>Okay?
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>>Another reason is, what is a fact to me, namely that many later theosophical or 
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>>esoterical off-shoot seem to do a bad job in understanding theosophical 
>>psychology and its relation to secterian and non-secterian bahviours - among 
>>various groups in society, AND, ESPECIALLY its relation to 
>>theosophical/esoterical groups as well, and how they operate, when promoting 
>>altruisme without avoiding a secterian stance.
>>
>>M. Sufilight
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>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: jdmsoares 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 12:31 AM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Theosophy, Carl Jung and the "Tibetan Book of the 
Dead"
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>>Dear Sufilight, friends,
>>
>>Sufilight thanks.
>>
>>The works of Jung that you mentioned just prove that he doesn't know
>>anything except the lower self. He shows an almost totally contempt for
>>oriental philosophy, and many more things.
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>>That is comprehensible, because Jung prefers to be attached to the
>>materialistic point of view. Besides that, Jung makes constant use of
>>deliberate ambiguity and a relativistic approach to the subjects.
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>>So, as a student of theosophy I cannot see any philosophical value in
>>the two works mentioned in the links you gave us.
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>>More important, as shown in the text "Freud, Jung, And Ethics",
>>Jung's ideas are in opposition to ethics. We know that Ethics are in
>>the center of true Psychology.
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>>We can read in the text:
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>>"While Freud, though not a professional philosopher, approaches the
>>problem from a psychological and philosophical angle as William James,
>>Dewey, and Macmurray have done, Jung states in the beginning of his
>>book:
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>>`I restrict myself to the observation of phenomena and I refrain
>>from any application of metaphysical or philosophical
>>considerations.'
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>>He then goes on to explain how, as a psychologist, he can analyze
>>religion without application of philosophical considerations." [1]
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>>Jung uses again the same approach in the mentioned works, supposedly
>>about "Life after Death".
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>>One of the Mahatmas taught:
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>>"Exact experimental Science has nothing to do with morality, virtue,
>>philanthropy, therefore can make no claim upon our help, until it blends
>>itself with the metaphysics." [2]
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>>Best regards, Joaquim
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>>NOTES:
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>>[1] Worth reading "Freud, Jung, And Ethics" at
>>http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=173
>><http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=173> and 
>>http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/08/freud-jung-and-ethics.html
>><http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/08/freud-jung-and-ethics.html> 
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>>[2] Read at http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/mahatma_letters.htm
>><http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/mahatma_letters.htm>
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>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@...>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, allright...here are a few words...to contemplate in a
>>comparative study.
>>>
>>> C G. Jung (d. 1961) on the Law of Karma and Reincarnation:
>>> LIfe After Death
>>> http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/C.G._Jung_-_On_Life_After_Death.pdf
>>>
>>> Carl Jung's near-death experience
>>> "The unconscious psyche believes in life after death"
>>> http://www.near-death.com/jung.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> M. Sufilight
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: jdmsoares
>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 1:17 AM
>>> Subject: theos-talk Theosophy, Carl Jung and the "Tibetan Book of
>>the Dead"
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Dear friends,
>>>
>>> There are many students of theosophy who admire the thought of Carl
>>> Jung.
>>>
>>> However, maybe most of them don't see that Jung ideas are contrary
>>> to Ethics, as Eric Fromm and others showed.
>>>
>>> There is a most interesting article that brings even more evidences
>>> about the untheosophical ideais of Mr. Jung, and his relation with a
>>> Dugpa sect.
>>>
>>> The text is published at our websites www.Esoteric-Philosophy.com
>>> <http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/> and www.TheosophyOnline.com
>>> <http://www.theosophyonline.com/> with the title:
>>>
>>> THEOSOPHY AND THE "BARDO THODOL"
>>> Or Examining Some Affinities Between
>>> Carl G. Jung And a Certain Tibetan Sect
>>>
>>> As it is written in the text:
>>>
>>> "If is perhaps a challenging fact for students of theosophy in the
>>21st
>>> century that a well-known thinker as Carl Jung was connected to the
>>> Ningmapa sect literature, as well as to their methods and occult
>>> inclinations. As we shall see, one of the main Ningma "best-selling"
>>> books - the so-called "Bardo Thodol" or "Tibetan Book of the Dead" -
>>had
>>> a long- standing personal influence on Jung and received an
>>enthusiastic
>>> public support from him."
>>>
>>> Direct links to the text:
>>> www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/08/theosophy-and-bardo-thodol.html
>>> 
>><http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/08/theosophy-and-bardo-thodol.h\
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>>> tml> and http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=89
>>> <http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=89> .
>>>
>>> Best regards, Joaquim
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