Theos-Talk Archives (May 2011 Message tt00016)

Dear Sufilight, friends,

Sufilight thanks.

The works of Jung that you mentioned just prove that he doesn't know
anything except the lower self. He shows an almost totally contempt for
oriental philosophy, and many more things.

That is comprehensible, because Jung prefers to be attached to the
materialistic point of view. Besides that, Jung makes constant use of
deliberate ambiguity and a relativistic approach to the subjects.

So, as a student of theosophy I cannot see any philosophical value in
the two works mentioned in the links you gave us.

More important, as shown in the text "Freud, Jung, And Ethics",
Jung's ideas are in opposition to ethics. We know that Ethics are in
the center of true Psychology.

We can read in the text:

"While Freud, though not a professional philosopher, approaches the
problem from a psychological and philosophical angle as William James,
Dewey, and Macmurray have done, Jung states in the beginning of his
book:

`I restrict myself to the observation of phenomena and I refrain
from any application of metaphysical or philosophical
considerations.'

He then goes on to explain how, as a psychologist, he can analyze
religion without application of philosophical considerations." [1]

Jung uses again the same approach in the mentioned works, supposedly
about "Life after Death".

One of the Mahatmas taught:

"Exact experimental Science has nothing to do with morality, virtue,
philanthropy, therefore can make no claim upon our help, until it blends
itself with the metaphysics." [2]



Best regards, Joaquim



NOTES:

[1] Worth reading "Freud, Jung, And Ethics" at
http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=173
<http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=173>   and 
http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/08/freud-jung-and-ethics.html
<http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/08/freud-jung-and-ethics.html> 
.

[2] Read at http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/mahatma_letters.htm
<http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/mahatma_letters.htm>




--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@...>
wrote:
>
> Well, allright...here are a few words...to contemplate in a
comparative study.
>
> C G. Jung (d. 1961) on the Law of Karma and Reincarnation:
> LIfe After Death
> http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/C.G._Jung_-_On_Life_After_Death.pdf
>
> Carl Jung's near-death experience
> "The unconscious psyche believes in life after death"
> http://www.near-death.com/jung.html
>
>
>
> M. Sufilight
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: jdmsoares
>   To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 1:17 AM
>   Subject: theos-talk Theosophy, Carl Jung and the "Tibetan Book of
the Dead"
>
>
>
>
>   Dear friends,
>
>   There are many students of theosophy who admire the thought of Carl
>   Jung.
>
>   However, maybe most of them don't see that Jung ideas are contrary
>   to Ethics, as Eric Fromm and others showed.
>
>   There is a most interesting article that brings even more evidences
>   about the untheosophical ideais of Mr. Jung, and his relation with a
>   Dugpa sect.
>
>   The text is published at our websites www.Esoteric-Philosophy.com
>   <http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/> and www.TheosophyOnline.com
>   <http://www.theosophyonline.com/> with the title:
>
>   THEOSOPHY AND THE "BARDO THODOL"
>   Or Examining Some Affinities Between
>   Carl G. Jung And a Certain Tibetan Sect
>
>   As it is written in the text:
>
>   "If is perhaps a challenging fact for students of theosophy in the
21st
>   century that a well-known thinker as Carl Jung was connected to the
>   Ningmapa sect literature, as well as to their methods and occult
>   inclinations. As we shall see, one of the main Ningma "best-selling"
>   books - the so-called "Bardo Thodol" or "Tibetan Book of the Dead" -
had
>   a long- standing personal influence on Jung and received an
enthusiastic
>   public support from him."
>
>   Direct links to the text:
>   www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/08/theosophy-and-bardo-thodol.html
>  
<http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/08/theosophy-and-bardo-thodol.h\
\
>   tml> and http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=89
>   <http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=89> .
>
>   Best regards, Joaquim
>
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>
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