Theos-Talk Archives (May 2011 Message tt00029)

Some would disagree
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>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@UCAemYwnEeVskT9mYrXpr2hK0IkhzqvfjVlVk3cr9aGsLgT0igYjQ91okAd6RAlVF7Rl510Bc0ahAuF0s-fHfYMuxA.yahoo.invalid>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Fri, 6 May, 2011 1:48:27 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Theosophy, Carl Jung and the "Tibetan Book of the Dead"
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>Dear Joaquim
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>My views are:
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>I agree very much with you.
>My stance is however, that C. G. Jung was not rejecting the idea of 
>philosophical considerations. He in fact considers the importance or 
>non-importance of the doctrine on reincarnation etc.
>His point of view was merely scientific - instead of fantatical or only 
>belief-based. The doctrines on the Law of karma and reincarnation aught not to 
>be forwarded as dogmas, but as hypothesises. Yet, I do also find that C. G. 
>Jung's appearnt level of hesitation and reluctancy in suggesting what to put 
>instead of these doctrines is a mistake on his part. So I will square it a 
>little, and recommend that one seek to understand Jung's scientific approach. Of 
>course it is not a promotion of ethics in the same manner as the promoters of 
>the doctrines on the Law of karma and reincarnation are doinf, - this -  as you 
>seem to say, can be shown from his reluctance in considering these doctrine 
>compared to other ethics.
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>But since Theosophy early on was defined as - the exact Science on Psychology - 
>by the magazine The Theosophist in Volume I, no 1, 1879 - I find it important to 
>compare the two positions - as scientifically as possible - with an eye on 
>psychological aspects as well as philosophical aspect.
>Okay?
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>Another reason is, what is a fact to me, namely that many later theosophical or 
>esoterical off-shoot seem to do a bad job in understanding theosophical 
>psychology and its relation to secterian and non-secterian bahviours - among 
>various groups in society, AND, ESPECIALLY its relation to 
>theosophical/esoterical groups as well, and how they operate, when promoting 
>altruisme without avoiding a secterian stance.
>
>M. Sufilight
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: jdmsoares 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 12:31 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Theosophy, Carl Jung and the "Tibetan Book of the Dead"
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>Dear Sufilight, friends,
>
>Sufilight thanks.
>
>The works of Jung that you mentioned just prove that he doesn't know
>anything except the lower self. He shows an almost totally contempt for
>oriental philosophy, and many more things.
>
>That is comprehensible, because Jung prefers to be attached to the
>materialistic point of view. Besides that, Jung makes constant use of
>deliberate ambiguity and a relativistic approach to the subjects.
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>So, as a student of theosophy I cannot see any philosophical value in
>the two works mentioned in the links you gave us.
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>More important, as shown in the text "Freud, Jung, And Ethics",
>Jung's ideas are in opposition to ethics. We know that Ethics are in
>the center of true Psychology.
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>We can read in the text:
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>"While Freud, though not a professional philosopher, approaches the
>problem from a psychological and philosophical angle as William James,
>Dewey, and Macmurray have done, Jung states in the beginning of his
>book:
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>`I restrict myself to the observation of phenomena and I refrain
>from any application of metaphysical or philosophical
>considerations.'
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>He then goes on to explain how, as a psychologist, he can analyze
>religion without application of philosophical considerations." [1]
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>Jung uses again the same approach in the mentioned works, supposedly
>about "Life after Death".
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>One of the Mahatmas taught:
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>"Exact experimental Science has nothing to do with morality, virtue,
>philanthropy, therefore can make no claim upon our help, until it blends
>itself with the metaphysics." [2]
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>Best regards, Joaquim
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>NOTES:
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>[1] Worth reading "Freud, Jung, And Ethics" at
>http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=173
><http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=173> and 
>http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/08/freud-jung-and-ethics.html
><http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/08/freud-jung-and-ethics.html> 
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>[2] Read at http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/mahatma_letters.htm
><http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/mahatma_letters.htm>
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>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@...>
>wrote:
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>> Well, allright...here are a few words...to contemplate in a
>comparative study.
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>> C G. Jung (d. 1961) on the Law of Karma and Reincarnation:
>> LIfe After Death
>> http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/C.G._Jung_-_On_Life_After_Death.pdf
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>> Carl Jung's near-death experience
>> "The unconscious psyche believes in life after death"
>> http://www.near-death.com/jung.html
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>> M. Sufilight
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>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jdmsoares
>> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 1:17 AM
>> Subject: theos-talk Theosophy, Carl Jung and the "Tibetan Book of
>the Dead"
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>> Dear friends,
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>> There are many students of theosophy who admire the thought of Carl
>> Jung.
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>> However, maybe most of them don't see that Jung ideas are contrary
>> to Ethics, as Eric Fromm and others showed.
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>> There is a most interesting article that brings even more evidences
>> about the untheosophical ideais of Mr. Jung, and his relation with a
>> Dugpa sect.
>>
>> The text is published at our websites www.Esoteric-Philosophy.com
>> <http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/> and www.TheosophyOnline.com
>> <http://www.theosophyonline.com/> with the title:
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>> THEOSOPHY AND THE "BARDO THODOL"
>> Or Examining Some Affinities Between
>> Carl G. Jung And a Certain Tibetan Sect
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>> As it is written in the text:
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>> "If is perhaps a challenging fact for students of theosophy in the
>21st
>> century that a well-known thinker as Carl Jung was connected to the
>> Ningmapa sect literature, as well as to their methods and occult
>> inclinations. As we shall see, one of the main Ningma "best-selling"
>> books - the so-called "Bardo Thodol" or "Tibetan Book of the Dead" -
>had
>> a long- standing personal influence on Jung and received an
>enthusiastic
>> public support from him."
>>
>> Direct links to the text:
>> www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/08/theosophy-and-bardo-thodol.html
>> 
><http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/08/theosophy-and-bardo-thodol.h\
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>> tml> and http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=89
>> <http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=89> .
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>> Best regards, Joaquim
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