Re: theos-talk Elijah Crow â The Silence of the Mind
Aug 07, 2010 03:32 AM
by M. Sufilight
Dear friends and Cass
My vews are:
The theosophical teachings has for decades and even hundres of years suffered from prejudice among its seekers and others.
I find that when people seek to avoid prejudice about its teachings, the stand a much better chance of understanding the theosophical teachings and the wisdom teachings of all ages - which in fact are to be found at the cores of most of the greatest religions on the planet through the ages. These are my views.
Now a few comments to you Cass about the below....
Cass wrote:
"These fragments have been very valuable to me
in terms of ego consciousness as given by Krishnamurti, but at no time, did I
expect, that Krishnamurti was interested in bringing a synthesis of religion and
science. His claim that he was not messianic was sufficient to say that he was
not interested in converting the world to his teachings or any wisdom
teachings, but that his message was only to open their eyes to where their ego
consciousness is driving them and what destruction it causes in the world. "
M. Sufilight says:
Yes, I tend to agree.
The lack of synthesis teaching is the central issue here, because the TS was formulated to end the strifes between the Worlds Religions - not to enhance it with its own Messiah, (and not with sex-scandals, lack of contrast to Christianity by warm support of the LCC, and NOT by seeking a place in the history books as the ORIGINATORS of the constitution of India with its human-mad laws, prisons and police and weapons.) - And Krishnamurti's teachings was therefore not without a tendency towards secterian behaviour, firstly because of his past emotional cult the Order of the Star in the East, where he himself wrote that the Messiah had arrived in their midst. (See the Geoffrey Hodson paper - www.theosophical. org/resources/ articles/ AppreciationofCW L.pdf) Something every well-eductaed theosophical seeker knows is a part of a Mind Control (See for instance Wikipedia on this) doctrine and not a theosophical one at all. - Secondly - he Later sought to downplay this Messiah status - but ended up muddling the facts about who he was and who he was not - BECAUSE he did not emphasise clearly who he was not and - the falseness of calling anyone in the physical a Messiah by mere belief - and he also muddled who other teachers of the past and present where; Blavatsky included as we can clearly see from the Van der Leeuw papers ( See the special phamplet here - scroll down a bit : http://www.alpheus.org/html/source_materials/krishnamurti/leeuw.html ) --- and also, and especially, -because his heavy lack of emphasis on comparative studying.
Theosophist Magazine September 1932-December 1932
I presume the T.S. accepts it as its duty to promulgate Theosophy and not to
spread or air of other philosophies; if the former why does it undertake
propaganda for the teachings of Krishnamurti? If the latter, why call itself
the Theosophical Society? This is sailing under false colours and is
dishonest to humanity. The facts are, that one cannot go to any T.S. Lodge
meeting without hearing about, seeing the books of Krishnamurti. What
service is that to mankind- what service is rendered to Theosophy? It can
only do one thing and that is to help fog and cloud the student and help to
make his efforts to learn Theosophy a hundred times more difficult.
Kirshnamurti himself is absolutely honest....
In the Star Bulletin August 1931, Page 7 - J. Krishnamurti says:
" So I have made it prefectly clear that what is generally believed by the
Christian, the Theosophist, the Hindu, the Buddhist to be Truth, has nothing
in common with what I say"
http://books.google.comVerbatim Reports of Talks and Answers to Questions by Krishnamurti Auckland, New Zealand 1934:"Questioner: What is your attitude to the early teachings of Theosophy, the Blavatsky type? Do you consider we have deteriorated or advanced?Krishnamurti: I am afraid I do not know, because I do not know what Madame Blavatsky' s teachings are."http://www.jkrishnamurti.orgHere is just one excerpt of many in the below magazine calling itself Theosophical....
Theosophist Magazine January 1932-April 1932 - p. 524
By Annie Wood Besant
"And because I am life, I would like you to worship that Life, which dwells within each one of you."
(Let Understanding be the Law. p. 22 )
.......
"The worship of another 'I am' is but a delusion. The man who worships life in all things, - in his neighbour, in the labourer, in the highest and in the lowest--is free from all illusions."
- Words by J. Krishnamurti.
http://books.google.com
This is my view. But maybe I am in error.
Let the TS Adyar tell us differently if they at all care to do that.
What colour has the flag today?
(Look at TS Adyars website: Krishnamurti is among the their NEWLY invented doctrine of the "Eminent Theosophists" - http://www.ts-adyar.org/content/eminent-theosophists - What are the criteria required for one to be called an EMINENT theosophist? Why leave out all the other wellknown Chelas of theosophy who lived in the past? Damodar K. Mavalankar was for instance one of them and far better than CWL and Besant if I should have my say. - Why not delete this "eminent" section from the website and place the non-secterian Avatars of the ages there instead? I find that to be at least a better idea and a better doctrine to promulgate.)
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Cass Silva
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Elijah Crow â The Silence of the Mind
IMO, Blavatsky brought the whole synthesis together. These others came and
went, leaving us with fragments. These fragments have been very valuable to me
in terms of ego consciousness as given by Krishnamurti, but at no time, did I
expect, that Krishnamurti was interested in bringing a synthesis of religion and
science. His claim that he was not messianic was sufficient to say that he was
not interested in converting the world to his teachings or any wisdom
teachings, but that his message was only to open their eyes to where their ego
consciousness is driving them and what destruction it causes in the world. That
people made of him a Messiah were those that needed a Messiah.
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>Cass
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>Cass
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>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@J8J6vp0C4NTnYDBSwCqhlygOTHzmKZ_y6gkBkxsQylYFFEgxeYhIVbZQUjO_c6pESZ6lIMDMo53assJG9APVAH96cAs.yahoo.invalid>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sat, 7 August, 2010 6:34:10 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Elijah Crow â The Silence of the Mind
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>
>Dear freinds
>
>My views are:
>
>Cass wrote:
>"What I think is that all of these people read and built on what others that
>preceded them had stated. That's fine, but what rails me is that they never
>give credit to others and make out it is their own original idea."
>
>M. Sufilight says:
>I agree so very much.
>
>Yes. Krishnamurti failed too much in givning other ancient teachers respect and
>sort of deleted the past and its importance with regard to where he and others
>were at the time he lectured.
>Eckhart Tolle partly has the same problem. He avoid - an open use of -
>comparative studying - and thereby avoid seeking to create a synthesis teaching.
>Instead he, just like Krishnamurti claims that THEIR very own teaching is the
>SYNTHESIS of all SYNTHESIS - because it is based on logic -(their logic.)
>
>- Such teachings has clearly a tendency of secterian behaviour.
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>- But where they gain from avoiding the use of - loaded phrases from various
>religious terminologies, they lack a real synthesis teaching so to end the
>strifes between the worlds religions. And this was what HPB emphasised all the
>time. This is one of the most important difference I have discovered between HPB
>and TS (1875-1891) versus Krishnamurti + Ecjhart Tolle. Today the Vatican are
>more afraid of Blavatsky than Krishnamurti - and they are stating it openly.
>(And they have to, because they feel the carpet being taken away under their
>notorious feets and hats - and because else people might rely on her teachings.-
>Smile.)
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>Because of this Krishnamurti - while we keep his muddled Mesianic status in mind
>- tend so very much to pose as an anthromorphized deity and a secterian one -
>with his very own terminology. (This was perhaps not his own fault entirely.
>Annie Besant and CWL has their part in it as well. - Yet he was 17 years of age,
>when they got hold on him through the strange "Messianic lawsuit" in Indian
>Court in 1912. Few months later, he could choose by himself anyhow. Other kids
>in India ran away form their parents to meet sages in the Himalayas, the did not
>need ot go to Court. ) Despite this Krishnamurti's as well as Eckhart Tolle's
>teachings might be very very helpful to some Seekers - at a certain stage of
>development in life.
>I will question whether any theosophist with Krishnamurtian leanings can justify
>- the lack of comparative studying in Krishnamurti's teachings - and then at the
>same time elevate him to an anthropomorphic Messianic status? His meetings and
>films with the scientist Bhom was perhaps one of the most important ones he ever
>did. But the overall picture is as I see it a bit slim.
>
>But these are of course just my views. Others will not doubt disagree.
>
>M. Sufilight
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Cass Silva
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:52 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Elijah Crow â The Silence of the Mind
>
>What I think is that all of these people read and built on what others that
>preceded them had stated. That's fine, but what rails me is that they never
>give credit to others and make out it is their own original idea.
>
>Krishnamurti's advaita although in theory worked a charm but in reality, this
>freedom from the known, is unable to be maintained on a 24/7 basis, unless one
>sits under a buddhi tree and totally shuts out the world we live in, until one
>totally learns to stop thinking To view every experience as a 'new' experience,
>relies on memory being pushed back or ignored, which in itself causes a mental
>dilemma of conscience (for me, at least). At least Gurdgieff, stated that these
>'forays into the "now" could only be maintained on a temporary basis, by
>temporarily focusing consciousness on the "Not I" rather than a split between
>the "I" and the "NOT I" consciousness.
>
>Cass
>
>Cass
>
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>>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@J8J6vp0C4NTnYDBSwCqhlygOTHzmKZ_y6gkBkxsQylYFFEgxeYhIVbZQUjO_c6pESZ6lIMDMo53assJG9APVAH96cAs.yahoo.invalid>
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Fri, 6 August, 2010 5:18:34 AM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Elijah Crow â The Silence of the Mind
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>>
>>Dear friends
>>
>>My views are:
>>
>>I wonder whether Krishnamurti would have forwarded his teachings in the samer
>>manner if had read the following books:
>>
>>William Sargant: Battle For The Mind" (published 1957!), Robert Lifton: "Thought
>>
>>Reform and the Psychology of Totalism" (published 1961!), or even the later
>>books like Steve Hassan's: Combatting cult mind control (1988), Margaret
>>Singer's: Cults in Our Midst (1996) and similar books, which now are debated
>>heavily in many corners of the globe???
>>
>>I think he woul have realised, that his teachings lacked something.
>>What do John and MKR and other readers think about this?
>>
>>___
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>>Maybe reading the books first will give better answer.
>>And if only few or none know about such teachings, how can they forward
>>themselves in our present time, at promoters of theosophical teachings?
>>
>>And what about the Alice A. Bailey teachers, implemented such a teaching in
>>their schools?
>>And the other groups like I AM Joshua Stone or Harmonic Convergence Groups?
>>Or so-called DISCLOSURE groups within the UFO arena?
>>
>>Oh dear oh dear...I wonder what will be next on the New Age agenda with its many
>>
>>distorted versions of wisdom teachings...?
>>
>>But maybe I have overlooked something.
>>
>>___________
>>
>>To John:
>>The recent discovery of the tunnel in Peru, have now reached the medias in
>>Denmark.
>>I just heard that they have discovered about 60.000 very interesting artifacts
>>at the site, where they are digging their way through towards what they think is
>>
>>a burial chamber of an ancient King - estimated to be dead about year 2000 BC
>>according to ordinary science. They estimate officially that it will take a few
>
>>month before they reach to actual tomb.
>>
>>M. Sufilight
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Augoeides-222@b6LpngyT8mcKHkS_v4nBy6eURWt0qPABzaOeM_9EYolhRgTWKcCtImmPsv-bsiMhxBfYHCAV_FPE-CyAedVJ.yahoo.invalid
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:22 PM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Elijah Crow â The Silence of the Mind
>>
>>Hmmm,
>>After reading Blavatsky and all, how can Theosophists be ignorant of the Void?
>>The Tibetans Kunje Nonparshespa original primordial clear void/empty
>>Mind/Consciousness. And almost all the Tibetan Sects teach the void. The
>>Mahayana Void or Empty mind. The Vedanta Adwaita. The Krama Kashmiri Advaita.
>>The Tao Te Ching - Way of the Dao, The Korean and Japanese Zen all have the
>>Void. The Heart Sutra has the Void. And Krishnamurti also spoke of the Non-dual
>
>>Paradigm in his orations even if he would not name historical Parents of it. The
>>
>>Yoga Sutra teaches arrival to Queisence of Mind which reveals the Void of
>>Primordial Self-nature.The Sufi also taught of the original Void, It is the
>>Primary Metaphysical Cognition and is sometimes called Home. Find out "Who" you
>
>>really are. Find out "Where" you really are. Lila is the illusion of the filling
>>
>>of the Void of original Self Beingness. This Doctrine of the Void is Primordial
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>>because it is the projection of Truth from Truth to Truth when Truth is cloaked
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>>during the Projection's of Lila.
>>
>>
>>Just my personal view.
>>
>>John
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@J8J6vp0C4NTnYDBSwCqhlygOTHzmKZ_y6gkBkxsQylYFFEgxeYhIVbZQUjO_c6pESZ6lIMDMo53assJG9APVAH96cAs.yahoo.invalid>
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2010 10:06:55 AM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Elijah Crow â The Silence of the Mind
>>
>>It looks a bit like Eckhat Tolle's: "The Power of Now".
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: MKR
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 2:28 PM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Elijah Crow â The Silence of the Mind
>>
>>I found the following quote from Krishnamurti. Yet to locate where it was
>>made.
>>
>>"Reality is the interval between two thoughts"
>>
>>Looks like two people coming up with the same statement, independently.
>>
>>MKR
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:10 PM, MKR < mkr777@E8-LJvwuykgZ1kntC0Fvko03skqkkB1-vSNDMY36-etb6W5Qj5lDUsbfkbNckhHT352W9BxYYfeJKx0.yahoo.invalid > wrote:
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>>> The 'void' he is talking about seems to be same as what Jiddu Krishnamurti
>>> has been discussing. May be some others would jump in and share their
>>> observations.
>>>
>>> By the way, in what language did Crow write his book?
>>>
>>> MKR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Witnessing Presence <
>>> witnessing_presence@PyY0vXRtf0jRKTmNtQLI51ZoMewuCucc7pliiWFEok_oNGlj8Khy9Qp12PpL2Hn00jVpoTYN1uNxkyHPbtrH0S0sEVvSuGru.yahoo.invalid > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to share an unknown enlightened mystic - Elijah Crow â The
>>>> Silence of The Mind, have just finished translating his book
>>>>
>>>> Elijah Crow does not belong to any nonduality lineage or tradition, his is
>>>> a personal expression and experience of nonduality.
>>>>
>>>> Read the whole book here
>>>>
>>>> http://www.scribd.com/doc/34607176/Elijah-Crow-The-Silence-of-the-Mind
>>>>
>>>> The Power of Emptiness
>>>>
>>>> The "void" or " psychological emptiness" is a strange
>>>> phenomenon,
>>>> It appears spontaneously, in the pause between two
>>>> thoughts,
>>>> As the old thought ends its course and disappears,
>>>> Its end is the gate, natural silence ensues.
>>>>
>>>> Insist in being with it, as much as you can,
>>>> The mind is completely silent, we are attentive â a clear
>>>> consciousness,
>>>> All meanings, boundaries disappear â us and the Infinite
>>>> are "One";
>>>> Practically, we have a new mind â always fresh.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Being in the pause â I become infinite!
>>>> It separates two worlds. I leave the limited world
>>>> And enter Boundlessness, through total melting;
>>>> The whole being is calm â a constant sparkle.
>>>>
>>>> There is no time, no space â just everlasting Eternity;
>>>> I move in direct contact with life, in a permanent present.
>>>> I am Pure Energy, without motivations,
>>>> The simplicity of existence integrates us completely.
>>>>
>>>> We really encounter Life only through this "now",
>>>> Free from the old, we are able to embrace the new.
>>>> All this beauty vanishes, when another thought appears,
>>>> It comes from the knowing mind â an old recording.
>>>>
>>>> Let it play its game, do not oppose any resistance,
>>>> Encounter it as it is, without any purpose,
>>>> It will certainly disappear, and "emptiness" ensues again,
>>>> Another opportunity to encounter it practically.
>>>>
>>>> We find the real meaning of Life through this "void",
>>>> It is a boundary line between the two worlds:
>>>> On the one side the limited, where the "ego" is the
>>>> master.
>>>> On the other, the Infinite, where Love is the master.
>>>>
>>>> Emptiness also separates Light from the darkness,
>>>> The permanent chaos through struggle, contradictions and
>>>> conflicts,
>>>> From the harmonious being, equilibrium and joy;
>>>> The whole egocentrism perishes, by encountering the
>>>> void.
>>>>
>>>> Peace, divine order becomes our nature
>>>> It changes our way of being, without effort or will,
>>>> Only through this psychological void, we become honest
>>>> and humane,
>>>> The Purity of the Energy â makes titans out of pigmies .
>>>>
>>>> Let this "psychological emptiness" be your guide,
>>>> In everything you encounter on your spiritual path.
>>>> If it is not the starting point, we easily get deceived,
>>>> Only through emptiness â we become Love!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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