Re: theos-talk Action needed
Aug 07, 2010 07:55 AM
by Drpsionic
Yes, these folks have no idea the type of people they are dealing with.
Amnesty International was forced to stop sponsoring prisoners in Iran
because the moment one letter was received on behalf one, that prisoner was
immediately executed.
I would not be surprised if the do not stone the woman simply to show that
they cannot be pressured.
Chuck the Heretic
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In a message dated 8/6/2010 10:20:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
Augoeides-222@45Nwdw-1xTq6uxVslp-XSVwNYKsCz1vPI6MyeV7_wzDIv-duJOipCnmCF1RSLTeyTV2r2MvE3-nwj80jsHBLhA.yahoo.invalid writes:
Chuck,
Somewhere in my library I have a book that shows the current president of
iran back at the time of the iran hostage event in a photo he is holding on
to a blindfolded American hostage because back then he was high up in the
Revoluntary Guard, the extreme radical militant Organization that today
trains terrorists and hezbollah as well. he has a long protracted history as
such and is intractable. I seriously doubt people remember this about him and
his crowd. it is one reason why the UN Sanctions or other appeals will
never detour iran from ruthlessness.
John
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Sent: Friday, August 6, 2010 7:53:47 AM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed
And if the local constituents really don't give a damn?
Chuck the Heretic
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In a message dated 8/5/2010 6:20:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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Dear John, Erica and All
Thank you for your responses and actions.
Thanks to the internet and its popularity these issues are now being aired
throughout the broader community.
Similarly, migration and asylum seeking are bringing certain cultural
differences to the attention of powerful western forces through community
outrage and protest.
Already there are broad based, community discussions on highly sensitive
cultural and religious practices. From female circumcision to the wearing
of
the burka in all its forms, and from certain kinds of torture to stonings,
all these matters are now being discussed internationally with many human
rights groups increasing the task of community education and action.
Community action equates to votes and it will eventually take a foolhardy
western politician to ignore the voices of their local constituents.
The west can then_ bring greater pressure to bear on recalcitrant regimes.
Of course politics and economics are powerful forces _and yes, these are
very early steps, but with the use of the internet and its opportunities
to
act I can see the early signs of a broad based, international shift in
consciousness, such as we have never seen before.
Kind regards
Nigel
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(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) ) , Augoeides-222@... wrote:
>
> Nigel,
> There are even video's of stoning online on Google and Yahoo video's.
There have been numerous articles in the last few years about retrograde
6th
century abominable punishments according the the conventions of Sharia Law
of Islamic faith . One was a young teenager who had relation with a boy
and
they stoned her to death for the family "honor". There are Islamic
fundamentalist Personal Channels on Justin.tv ("Raah") and a few others
that show
poor victum's having their fingers cut off while being tightly held by
several men, Men being led to a grassy area for decapitition and the head
proudly displayed sitting on the chest of the dead body. I posted a few of
the
'Family honor" murder articles on this forum a while back. I find these
idea's, concepts, rationalizations and practices abhorrent, abominable and
psychotic abberation in this modern world of today. The Taliban are
perfect
example of terrorist suppressive degenerate religionism a_nd the Wa habi
of_
Saudi Arabia was a mentor to them. In England they are requesting the
right
to install Sharia Law parelell and eqeal to the British Justice Institute
itself. people never studied the History of conquest by "perfusion" and
"suffusion" and population displacement that is evidenced in History as a
social
passive technique long established and practiced. A best present time is
China and Tibet where China is actively practising this historic method
with
a vengeance. One morning in a future we may wake up to a dreadful reality
that slowly insidiously pervaded our social space and beingness, beware my
friends of greeks bearing gifts.
>
> John
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> From: "Erica L. Georgiades" <eletzerich@...>
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> Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2010 7:50:53 AM
> Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Nigel,
>
> Death by stoning because of adultery also exists in Afghanistan and
Somalia.
> From time to time I am signing petitions against such barbarism, this is
not the
> first. I remember some years ago a similar case in Somalia, her name was
Aisho
> ...dont remember the surname. And now Sakineh... the poor women has a
son and
> a daughter and is only 42 years old. Also I just read that in Iran there
is
> also another 10 women waiting death-roll sentence, for the same reason.
>
> Erica
>
> ________________________________
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> Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 5:21:19 PM
> Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed
>
> Dear Erica
>
> In spite of the considerable political considerations you mention, all
of which
> are accurate, there have been some quite remarkable social and political
changes
> over recent times. Avaaz is one organisation making real headway in some
similar
> situations, so all may not be lost.
>
> In any event, if we do nothing then certainly nothing will happen! So
thank you
> for contacting some of your fellow members. If everyone on t/talk does
the same
> a snowball reaction may occur.
>
> Kind regards
> Nigel
>
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(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) ) , "Erica" <eletzerich@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Nigel,
> >
> > This is most barbarian thing, which is unacceptable. I think the
matter is in
> >fact an international matter and not only of influence of one country
or
> >another.
> >
> > The United Nations could also interfere if they want. Such kind of law
should
> >be completely abolished. Today is Sakineh imprisoned and condemned to
death,
> >tomorrow will be another Sakineh and the thing will go on and on.
> >
> > If there is not a strong international interference, I consider almost
> >impossible a diplomatic solution for this problem to be found. If Iran
opens one
> >exception, eventually they would need to change their law. And when one
has to
> >do with Islamic laws, is as if someone puts the hand in a "bag full of
cats".
> >
> > So such a hope regarding Brazil and Turkey to find a diplomatic
solution, are
> >vain in my opinion. In my opinion all the international community
should raise
> >their voice and int_erfere, als_o stating that such a law should be
abolished.
> >But unfortunately this wont happen, because there is no oil or money
involved.
> >
> > See the case of Aung San Suu kyi, years imprisoned by the military
regime or
> >Burma. Nothing was done to help the people of Burma or to release her,
except
> >endless diplomatic talks which resulted probably in the fact that she
is still
> >alive.
> >
> > Anyway I will send some e-mails to some members of the Brazilian
Section I
> >know.
> >
> > Erica
> >
> >
> >
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"nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Erica
> > >
> > > Yes, that is correct. That is why I asked whether there are some
wealthy
> >Adyar Society Brazilian members able to bring extra influence on their
> >President, perhaps to make another, more strident attempt.
> > >
> > > That would surely be Theosophy in action.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Nigel
> > >
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"Erica L. Georgiades"
<eletzerich@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday I read on Washington Post that, Lula the Brazilian
President,
> >already
> >
> > > > requested to the President of Iran to release her and give her
asylum in
> >Brazil.
> >
> > > > The request of the President of Brazil was denied.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Erica
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@>
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> > > > Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 3:32:23 PM
> > > > Subject: theos-talk Action needed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear All
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps some wealthy Adyar Society Brazilian members can bring
additional
> > > > pressure to bear on their President to address this outrageous
issue?
> > > >
> > > > "Dear Friends,
> > > >
> > > > Global pressure on Iran has saved Sakineh from death by stoning,
but within
> >days
> >
> > > > she could still be hanged. More pressure from leaders in Brazil
and Turkey,
> >
> > > > Iran's allies, are Sakineh's last hope. Donate below to fund an
emergency
> >ad
> >
> > > > campaign in Brazil and Turkey in the next 72 hours:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sakineh Ashtiani could be executed for adultery in Iran in the
next few
> >days,
> >
> > > > but two men could still save her -- the leaders of Brazil and
Turkey.
> > > >
> > > > President Lula and Prime Minister Erdoğan are powerful allies
and
> >mediators
> >
> > > > _with Iran w_ho enjoy great respect there, and both countries have
condemned
> >the
> >
> > > > case. Now, we need to push them to deploy all their diplomatic
forces and
> > > > persuade Iran to free Sakineh and stop stoning forever.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Avaaz is launching an emergency ad campaign in influential
newspapers in
> >Turkey
> >
> > > > and Brazil urging them to press Iran for clemency and justice. The
ads will
> >
> > > > deliver our half-million strong petition, reach political circles
and
> >directly
> >
> > > > appeal to Lula's and Erdoğan's leadership and moral
authority. If
> >5,000 of
> >
> > > > us donate even a small amount in the next 72 hours, we'll make a
powerful
> > > > statement before it's too late. This may be Sakineh's last hope --
click
> >here to
> >
> > > > chip in:
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Sakineh's sentence is a farcical travesty of justice. She was
sentenced to
> >death
> >
> > > > by stoning for allegedly having relations with other men -- years
after her
> >
> > > > husband had passed away, despite stoning having been outlawed in
Iran, and
>
> > > > despite her not being able to speak the language of her trial. Her
two
> >children
> >
> > > > launched a campaign to save her life, and generated a worldwide
uproar,
> > > > including over 554,000 Avaaz members. Feeling the pressure, the
Iranian
> > > > government revoked the stoning, but the execution sentence stands.
> > > >
> > > > Tension has been rising in Iran since the Sakineh case gained
attention --
> >the
> >
> > > > regime has threatened to arrest her children for speaking out and
has
> >issued an
> >
> > > > arrest warrant against Sakineh's lawyer. He has now gone into
hiding and
> >his
> >
> > > > family-members have been rounded-up.
> > > >
> > > > But Lula and Erdoğan have great respect in Iran and can
influence the
>
> > > > regime. And they listen to us. Lula had said that he would not get
involved
> >in
> >
> > > > this case. But after an aide brought his attention to the massive
online
> > > > campaign, he changed his mind, offering Sakineh asylum and
prompting
> >Iranian
> >
> > > > authorities to announce that the case would be quickly resolved.
We know
> >Lula
> >
> > > > listens to Avaaz campaigns -- in the last year, despite powerful
> >opposition,
> >
> > > > members in Brazil have helped persuade Lula to sign off on a law
to protect
> >the
> >
> > > > Amazon and a bold anti-corruption law.
> > > >
> > > > During the last two weeks, over 554,000 of us have signed the
petition to
> >Save
> >
> > > > Sakineh and end stoning in Iran. We only have days left to
persuade Lula
> >and
> >
> > > > Erdoğan to act -- and it may be our last chance to save
Sakineh. Let's
> >each
> >
> > > > pitch _in a small amount and _make sure they hear our call to
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Sakineh's case has outraged the entire world by the sheer scale of
its
> >brutal,
> >
> > > > nonsensical injustice. But in our fight for one woman we make a
powerful
> > > > statement about women, and people, everywhere. In standing up for
one
> >person, we
> >
> > > > stand up for everyone's right to justice.
> > > >
> > > > Sakineh's children's have sent out a last plea: "Do not allow our
nightmare
> >
> > > > become a reality, Today, when nearly all options have reached
dead-ends, we
> >
> > > > resort to you. Please help our mother return home!" Click here to
answer
> >their
> >
> > > > call, and get Erdoğan and Lula to do the same:
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > With hope and determination,
> > > >
> > > > Alice, Pascal, Alice W, Ricken, David, and the Avaaz Team
> > > >
> > > > SOURCES:
> > > >
> > > > The Guardian, "Iran stoning woman offered asylum by Brazil's
President
> >Lula":
> >
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