Theos-Talk Archives (August 2010 Message tt00077)

And they still may never give a damn.  How do you get past the mute  button?
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
_www.charlescosimano.com  

 
In a message dated 8/6/2010 10:22:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
nhcareyta@dGDNtuKtNljBGF3EQNVQs18422K5zrwDiAI3loM85nWCUjhB2ndAXBOBEYcijvJtSUfCuVYifPVxcJRH.yahoo.invalid writes:

 
 
 
We wait a little longer, try a little harder...and never give  up.

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(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) , Drpsionic@... wrote:
>
>  And if the local constituents really don't give a damn?
> 
> Chuck  the Heretic
> 
> www.charlescosimano.com 
> 
>  
> In a message dated 8/5/2010 6:20:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> nhcareyta@... writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Dear John, Erica and All
> 
> Thank you for your responses and  actions.
> 
> Thanks to the internet and its popularity these  issues are now being 
aired 
> throughout the broader community.
>  Similarly, migration and asylum seeking are bringing certain cultural 
>  differences to the attention of powerful western forces through 
community  
> outrage and protest. 
> Already there are broad based,  community discussions on highly sensitive 
> cultural and religious  practices. From female circumcision to the 
wearing of 
> the burka in  all its forms, and from certain kinds of torture to 
stonings, 
> all  these matters are now being discussed internationally with many 
human 
>  rights groups increasing the task of community education and action.
>  Community act_ion equates to votes and it will eventually take a 
foolhardy  
> western politician to ignore the voices of their local  constituents.
> The west can then_ bring greater pressure to bear on  recalcitrant 
regimes.
> 
> Of course politics and economics are  powerful forces and yes, these are 
> very early steps, but with the use  of the internet and its opportunities 
to 
> act I can see the early  signs of a broad based, international shift in 
> consciousness, such as  we have never seen before. 
> 
> Kind regards
>  Nigel
> 
> --- In 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) ) , Augoeides-222@ wrote:
>  >
> > Nigel, 
> > There are even video's of stoning  online on Google and Yahoo video's. 
> There have been numerous articles  in the last few years about retrograde 
6th 
> century abominable  punishments according the the conventions of Sharia 
Law 
> of Islamic  faith . One was a young teenager who had relation with a boy 
and 
> they  stoned her to death for the family "honor". There are Islamic 
>  fundamentalist Personal Channels on Justin.tv ("Raah") and a few others 
that  show 
> poor victum's having their fingers cut off while being tightly  held by 
> several men, Men being led to a grassy area for decapitition  and the 
head 
> proudly displayed sitting on the chest of the dead body.  I posted a few 
of the 
> 'Family honor" murder articles on this forum a  while back. I find these 
> idea's, concepts, rationalizations and  practices abhorrent, abominable 
and 
> psychotic abberation in this  modern world of today. The Taliban are 
perfect 
> example of terrorist  suppressive_ degenerate religionism and the Wa habi 
of_ 
> Saudi Arabia  was a mentor to them. In England they are requesting the 
right 
> to  install Sharia Law parelell and eqeal to the British Justice 
Institute  
> itself. people never studied the History of conquest by "perfusion"  and 
> "suffusion" and population displacement that is evidenced in  History as 
a social 
> passive technique long established and practiced.  A best present time is 
> China and Tibet where China is actively  practising this historic method 
with 
> a vengeance. One morning in a  future we may wake up to a dreadful 
reality 
> that slowly insidiously  pervaded our social space and beingness, beware 
my 
> friends of greeks  bearing gifts. 
> > 
> > John 
> > ----- Original  Message ----- 
> > From: "Erica L. Georgiades" <eletzerich@>  
> > To: _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _) _ 
(http://www.charlescosimano.com/) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) __ 
> (mailto:_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
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> > Sent: Thursday,  August 5, 2010 7:50:53 AM 
> > Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > Dear Nigel, 
> > 
> > Death by stoning  because of adultery also exists in Afghanistan and 
> Somalia. 
>  > From time to time I am signing petitions against such barbarism, this 
is  
> not the 
> > first. I remember some years ago a similar case  in Somalia, her name 
was 
> Aisho 
> > ...dont remember the  surname. And now Sakineh... the poor women has a 
> son and 
>  > a daughter and is only 42 years old. Also I just read that in Iran 
there  
> is 
> > also another 10 women waiting death-roll sentence,  for the same 
reason. 
> > 
> > Erica 
> > 
>  > ________________________________ 
> > From: nhcareyta <  nhcareyta@ > 
> > To: _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _) _ 
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> > Sent: Thu, August 5,  2010 5:21:19 PM 
> > Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed 
>  > 
> > Dear Erica 
> > 
> > In spite of the  considerable political considerations you mention, all 
> of which  
> > are accurate, there have been some quite remarkable social and  
political 
> changes 
> > over recent times. Avaaz is one  organisation making real headway in 
some 
> similar 
> >  situations, so all may not be lost. 
> > 
> > In any event,  if we do nothing then certainly nothing will happen! So 
> thank you  
> > for contacting some of your fellow members. If everyone on  t/talk does 
> the same 
> > a snowball reaction may occur.  
> > 
> > Kind regards 
> > Nigel 
> >  
> > --- In _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
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> (mailto:_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) ) , "Erica" <eletzerich@> wrote:  
> > > 
> > > Dear Nigel, 
> > > 
>  > > This is most barbarian thing, which is unacceptable. I think the  
> matter is in 
> > >fact an international matter and not  only of influence of one country 
> or 
> > >another.  
> > > 
> > > The United Nations could also interfere  if they want. Such kind of 
law 
> should 
> > >be completely  abolished. Today is Sakineh imprisoned and condemned to 
> death,  
> > >tomorrow will be another Sakineh and the thing will go on  and on. 
> > > 
> > > If there is not a strong  international interference, I consider 
almost 
> > >impossible a  diplomatic solution for this problem to be found. If 
Iran 
> opens one  
> > >exception, eventually they would need to change their law.  And when 
one 
> has to 
> > >do with Islamic laws, is as if  someone puts the hand in a "bag full 
of 
> cats". 
> > >  
> > > So such a hope regarding Brazil and Turkey to find a  diplomatic 
> solution, are 
> > >vain in my opinion. In my  opinion all the internati_onal community 
> should raise 
> >  >their voice and interfere, als_o stating that such a law should be  
> abolished. 
> > >But unfortunately this wont happen,  because there is no oil or money 
> involved. 
> > >  
> > > See the case of Aung San Suu kyi, years imprisoned by the  military 
> regime or 
> > >Burma. Nothing was done to help  the people of Burma or to release 
her, 
> except 
> >  >endless diplomatic talks which resulted probably in the fact that she 
 
> is still 
> > >alive. 
> > > 
> >  > Anyway I will send some e-mails to some members of the Brazilian 
>  Section I 
> > >know. 
> > > 
> > > Erica  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  --- In _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
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"nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@>  wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > Dear Erica 
>  > > > 
> > > > Yes, that is correct. That is why I  asked whether there are some 
> wealthy 
> > >Adyar Society  Brazilian members able to bring extra influence on 
their 
> >  >President, perhaps to make another, more strident attempt. 
> >  > > 
> > > > That would surely be Theosophy in action.  
> > > > 
> > > > Regards 
> > >  > Nigel 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
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_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) _) _ , 
"Erica L. Georgiades" 
>  <eletzerich@> 
> > wrote: 
> > > > > 
>  > > > > Yesterday I read on Washington Post that, Lula the  Brazilian 
> President, 
> > >already 
> > >  
> > > > > requested to the President of Iran to release her  and give her 
> asylum in 
> > >Brazil. 
> > >  
> > > > > The request of the President of Brazil was  denied. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
>  > > > > Erica 
> > > > > 
> > > >  > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> >  > > > ________________________________ 
> > > > >  From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@> 
> > > > > To: _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _) 
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_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) ) 
> > > > > Sent:  Thu, August 5, 2010 3:32:23 PM 
> > > > > Subject:  theos-talk Action needed 
> > > > > 
> > > >  > 
> > > > > Dear All 
> > > > >  
> > > > > Perhaps some wealthy Adyar Society Brazilian  members can bring 
> additional 
> > > > > pressure to  bear on their President to address this outrageous 
> issue? 
>  > > > > 
> > > > > "Dear Friends, 
> >  > > > 
> > > > > Global pressure on Iran has saved  Sakineh from death by stoning, 
> but within 
> > >days  
> > > 
> > > > > she could still be hanged.  More pressure from leaders in Brazil 
> and Turkey, 
> > >  
> > > > > Iran's allies, are Sakineh's last hope. Donate  below to fund an 
> emergency 
> > >ad 
> > >  
> > > > > campaign in Brazil and Turkey in the next 72  hours: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> >  > > > Sakineh Ashtiani could be executed for adultery in Iran in the  
> next few 
> > >days, 
> > > 
> >  > > > but two men could still save her -- the leaders of Brazil and  
> Turkey. 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  President Lula and Prime Minister Erdo&#287;an are powerful 
allies  
> and 
> > >mediators 
> > > 
> > >  > > with Iran w_ho enjoy great respect there, and both countries 
have  
> condemned 
> > >the 
> > > 
> > >  > > case. Now, we need to push them to deploy all their diplomatic  
> forces and 
> > > > > persuade Iran to free Sakineh  and stop stoning forever. 
> > > > > 
> > > >  > 
> > > > > Avaaz is launching an emergency ad campaign  in influential 
> newspapers in 
> > >Turkey 
> >  > 
> > > > > and Brazil urging them to press Iran for  clemency and justice. 
The 
> ads will 
> > > 
> >  > > > deliver our half-million strong petition, reach political  
circles 
> and 
> > >directly 
> > > 
>  > > > > appeal to Lula's and Erdo&#287;an's leadership and  moral 
> authority. If 
> > >5,000 of 
> > >  
> > > > > us donate even a small amount in the next 72  hours, we'll make a 
> powerful 
> > > > > statement  before it's too late. This may be Sakineh's last hope 
-- 
> click  
> > >here to 
> > > 
> > > > > chip  in: 
> > > > > 
> > > > _> _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _) 
> __ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl__ (https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_) _ (_ 
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> > > > > 
>  > > > > Sakineh's sentence is a farcical travesty of justice. She  was 
> sentenced to 
> > >death 
> > > 
>  > > > > by stoning for allegedly having relations with other men  -- 
years 
> after her 
> > > 
> > > > >  husband had passed away, despite stoning having been outlawed in 
>  Iran, and 
> > 
> > > > > despite her not being  able to speak the language of her trial. 
Her 
> two 
> >  >children 
> > > 
> > > > > launched a  campaign to save her life, and generated a worldwide 
> uproar, 
>  > > > > including over 554,000 Avaaz members. Feeling the  pressure, the 
> Iranian 
> > > > > government revoked  the stoning, but the execution sentence 
stands. 
> 
> > >  > > 
> > > > > Tension has been rising in Iran since  the Sakineh case gained 
> attention -- 
> > >the 
>  > > 
> > > > > regime has threatened to arrest her  children for speaking out 
and 
> has 
> > >issued an  
> > > 
> > > > > arrest warrant against  Sakineh's lawyer. He has now gone into 
> hiding and 
> >  >his 
> > > 
> > > > > family-members have  been rounded-up. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But  Lula and Erdo&#287;an have great respect in Iran and can 
>  influence the 
> > 
> > > > > regime. And they  listen to us. Lula had said that he would not 
get 
> involved 
>  > >in 
> > > 
> > > > > this case. But  after an aide brought his attention to the 
massive 
> online 
>  > > > > campaign, he changed his mind, offering Sakineh asylum and  
> prompting 
> > >Iranian 
> > > 
> >  > > > authorities to announce that the case would be quickly  
resolved. 
> We know 
> > >Lula 
> > > 
>  > > > > listens to Avaaz campaigns -- in the last year, despite  
powerful 
> > >opposition, 
> > > 
> > >  > > members in Brazil have helped persuade Lula to sign off on a law 
 
> to protect 
> > >the 
> > > 
> >  > > > Amazon and a bold anti-corruption law. 
> > > >  > 
> > > > > During the last two weeks, over 554,000 of  us have signed the 
> petition to 
> > >Save 
> >  > 
> > > > > Sakineh and end stoning in Iran. We only  have days left to 
> persu_ade Lula 
> > >and 
> >  > 
> > > > > Erdo&#287;an to act -- and it may be our  last chance to save 
> Sakineh. Let's 
> > >each 
>  > > 
> > > > > pitch in a small amount and _make sure  they hear our call to 
> leadership: 
> > > > >  
> > > > > _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _) 
> __ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
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> _ 
> > > >  > 

> > > > > Sakineh's case has outraged the entire world  by the sheer scale 
of 
> its 
> > >brutal, 
> >  > 
> > > > > nonsensical injustice. But in our fight for  one woman we make a 
> powerful 
> > > > > statement  about women, and people, everywhere. In standing up 
for 
> one 
>  > >person, we 
> > > 
> > > > > stand up  for everyone's right to justice. 
> > > > > 
> >  > > > Sakineh's children's have sent out a last plea: "Do not allow  
our 
> nightmare 
> > > 
> > > > > become  a reality, Today, when nearly all options have reached 
> dead-ends, we  
> > > 
> > > > > resort to you. Please help our  mother return home!" Click here 
to 
> answer 
> > >their  
> > > 
> > > > > call, and get Erdo&#287;an  and Lula to do the same: 
> > > > > 
> > > >  > _ (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _) 
> __ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
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> _ 
> > > >  > 
> > > > > With hope and determination, 
> >  > > > 
> > > > > Alice, Pascal, Alice W, Ricken,  David, and the Avaaz Team 
> > > > > 
> > > >  > SOURCES: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The  Guardian, "Iran stoning woman offered asylum by Brazil's 
> President  
> > >Lula": 
> > > 
> > > > > _  (_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _) 
> __ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
_http://www.avaaz.org/guardian_sakineh_article__ (http://www.avaaz.org/guardian_sakineh_article_) _ (_ 
(http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _http://www.avaaz.org/guardian_sakineh_article_ 
(http://www.avaaz.org/guardian_sakineh_article) _) _ " 
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