Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
Jan 24, 2010 10:38 AM
by Martin
I never disagree, where did you get that idea, lol?
There is one truth and we are all part in it...it is just the ego which makes the difference. Truth always wants to connect Ãnd share, therefore everybody is always right and then I had usually left :-)
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From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 5:33:17 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
Dear Martin and friends
My views are:
Yes, yes.
We might be disagreeing only on semantics.
I do however find that there is a clear difference between saying that someone has performed "theft" or that someone elected to administrate, if the case is true, has "administered money given by others badly" due to ignorance or perhaps old age.
If one seeks another kind of administration, one aught to state so clearly and document ones case, so there is no doubt about what kind of compassion and non-selfish activity of Universal Brotherhood one is about to promote. Our task is always to seek to help our fellow human beings, also those whom aught to know better - even if they should fail. - It is simply out of the question to seek to tear another human being to pieces, just because we ourselves did not get our own will. There must be methods far more wise to use than this.
>>> Vivekananda on "Why we disagree"<<<
"I will tell you a little story. You have heard the eloquent speaker who has just finished say, âLet us cease from abusing each other,â and he was very sorry that there should be always so much variance.
But I think I should tell you a story which would illustrate the cause of this variance. A frog lived in a well. It had lived there for a long time. It was born there and brought up there, and yet was a little, small frog. Of course, the evolutionists were not there then to tell us whether the frog lost its eyes or not, but, for our storyâs sake, we must take it for granted that it had its eyes, and that it every day cleansed the water of all the worms and bacilli that lived in it with an energy that would do credit to our modern bacteriologists. In this way it went on and became a little sleek and fat. Well, one day another flog that lived in the sea came and fell into the well.
âWhere are you form?â
âI am from the sea.â
âThe sea! How big is that? Is it as big as my well?â and he took a leap from one side of the well to the other.
âMy friend,â said the frog of the sea, âhow do you compare the sea with your little well?â
Then the frog took another leap and asked, âIs your sea so big?â
âWhat nonsense you speak, to compare the sea with your well!â
âWell, then,â said the frog of the well, ânothing can be bigger than my well; there can be nothing bigger than this; this fellow is a liar, so turn him out.â
That has been the difficulty all the while.
I am a Hindu. I am sitting in my own little well and thinking that the whole world is my little well. The Christian sits in his little well and thinks the whole world is his well. The Mohammedan sits in his little well and thinks that is the whole world. l have to thank you of America for the great attempt you are making to break down the barriers of this little world of ours, and hope that, in the future, the Lord will help you to accomplish your purpose."
http://www.theuniversalwisdom.org/hinduism/why-we-disagree-vivekananda/
>>> Vivekananda - Response to Welcome At The Worldâs Parliament of Religions, Chicago, 11th September 1893 <<<
"Sectarianism, bigotry, and its horrible descendant, fanaticism, have long possessed this beautiful earth. They have filled the earth with violence, drenched it often and often with human blood, destroyed civilization, and sent whole nations to despair. Had it not been for these horrible demons, human society would be far more advanced than it is now. But their time is come; and I fervently hope that the bell that tolled this morning in honor of this convention may be the death-knell of all fanaticism, of all persecutions with the sword or with the pen, and of all uncharitable feelings between persons wending their way to the same goal."
http://www.theuniversalwisdom.org/hinduism/welcome-address-vivekananda/
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
Morten, you are missing the point...sure money needs administering, but for who? The Cause or the family/power/greed thingy...Preethi was right in saying organizations have become obsolete, since corruption is a big dog's ear in the book of such organizations. I do not know Radha, I only met her once and seen some video's of her. Even if she would serve her family, I wouldn't judge her. I myself am the only one to judge always by myself and every human should be judging him/herself alone as well...
So for Preethi, I would simply say goodbye to the current TS, to MKR I would say that karma is a knife never to be resisted, since karma only cuts mud...that mud everyone is made off....
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From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 4:43:19 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
Is it "taking money from others"?
Or rather "administering money given by others" because one was elected to administrate them?
----- Original Message -----
From: Martin
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
Well if any money is raised to serve a common goal and as such spent on it, I see no crime...however when I see people live on taking money from others in disguise to serve a common goal, that is theft.
In old Pythagorean Society, only people not dependent on money, power or family were allowed in the circle of 100 to form a counsel to rule Greece by unanymous decision...
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From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 4:29:25 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
Agreed.
Let us have som clear well-documented proof of this view given by you Preethi.
----- Original Message -----
From: MKR
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
I think your calling Radhaji a thief is crossing the line for any
theosophist. You owe an unconditional apology.
As a theosophist, I would never all another human being a thief.
The ball is now in your court.
MKR
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:48 AM, preethi muthiah
<seeker_preethi@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>
> Dear MKR,
>
> I would just like to point out to you that I attended the Convention as
> every member's right to do so. The Administration at Adyar was definitely
> NOT doing me a favour.
>
> The issues I have brought up, by the way, are issues that the founders
> would themselves raise, had they been alive. Neither of our founders were in
> favour of corruption, and it did not matter to them at what level these were
> practised. Corruption is corruption and it is an evil that must be rooted
> out. It is indeed sad to see that it exists in the TS, the founders of which
> are insulted daily by the current administration at Adyar, who instead of
> rooting it out, endorse it all because it is practised by the relatives of
> the President.
>
> Also, Preethi was not allowed to stay on campus with her mother, Mrs Radha
> Muthiah, who still works at the TS, Adyar. And though Preethi was allowed to
> visit her mother, in the future, even that permission has been taken away.
>
> You must read the Mahatma's Letters carefully, MKR, and you will find out
> that with a spiritual aspirant, every bad deed wipes out all the good ones.
> So, even if you want to be proud of Mrs Burnier allowing a member of the TS
> like Preethi Muthiah to attend the Convention, which by the way was Preethi
> Muthiah's right, you cannot run away from the fact that since Mrs Burnier
> did not allow me to stay with my mother, so the deed you mentioned gets
> wiped out and the balance is tilted towards the misdeeds...heavily indeed.
>
> It is quite possible that Mrs Radha Burnier will now try to prevent Preethi
> from being a member of the TS...but that is her headache...not mine...My
> commitment to the Theosophical Cause remains unhindered, for I choose it to
> be so. She cannot own the Masters of the Wisdom nor the Wisdom Teachings.
> She cannot even actually own the Adyar Estate for it is not her property. If
> you will see the rules, you will realize that Adyar actually belongs to all
> the members of the TS, for out of our annual membership fee, a certain
> amount goes towards the upkeep and maintenance of the Adyar International
> Headquarters.
>
> In effect, MKR, Mrs Radha Burnier in addition to all her other misdeeds of
> corruption etc. is also today party to the crime of keeping a member of the
> TS from her right to enter and live on the international HQ of the TS,
> Adyar, for the maintenance and upkeep of which the member pays annually a
> certain fee. By that account, MKR, Mrs Burnier is a thief. I hope that is
> not a matter of pride with you.
>
> Fraternally
>
> Preethi
>
> --- On Sat, 23/1/10, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
> To: "theos-talk" <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com<theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Date: Saturday, 23 January, 2010, 2:14 AM
>
>
>
>
> When I suggested before the convention, if some one attending the
> convention
>
> could report on the convention on Internet, I was thinking about a blog
> like
>
> reporting, which in a journalistic point, be entertaining and informative.
> I
>
> have seen in conventions, each day one or two page bulletin is issued
>
> covering the dayâs summary. It is very disappointing that in this day and
>
> age of computers and wifi, something that is easy to do was not done by any
>
> one. By the way, Chennai is a hub of many computer establishments and so
>
> there are ample wifi resources if anyone wanted to post anything on
>
> Internet. I do not know what is happening in various countries when they
>
> have their annual conventions.
>
> It is heartening to see Preethi was allowed to attend the convention, as a
>
> member, in spite of the various issues she had raised in the past and had
> to
>
> move out of the Adyar Estate. This speaks very highly of the Adyar
>
> administration and all of us should be proud of it. I doubt any other
>
> organization would have allowed her to attend a convention.
>
> MKR
>
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> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.
> http://in.yahoo.com/
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