Theos-Talk Archives (November 2009 Message tt00210)

Chuck's comment, I suppose is tongue in cheek and reflects on the very old
theosophists.

MKR

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:20 PM, preethi muthiah
<seeker_preethi@yahoo.com>wrote:

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>
> And Theosophists talk about being personal as a crime against the
> Theosophical Ideal !!! What kind of a conversation are we having here???? A
> personal one on age, etc, isn't it? Wow!!!!
>
> I am aware that there are instructions on this website to ignore Preethi's
> comments...But I cannot seem to miss the opportunity to point out the whole
> problem that is assailing the TS today. The personal approach is encouraged
> when certain members are boosting their egos, but that very same approach is
> condemned when the personality is discussed vis-a-vis the future of the TS.
>
> Fraternally
> Preethi
>
> --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Drpsionic@aol.com <Drpsionic%40aol.com> <
> Drpsionic@aol.com <Drpsionic%40aol.com>> wrote:
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> From: Drpsionic@aol.com <Drpsionic%40aol.com> <Drpsionic@aol.com<Drpsionic%40aol.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Who is this mysterious S T Adelante?
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 9:50 PM
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> To be a Theosophist and under 100 is unusual.
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> Chuck the Heretic
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> _www.charlescosiman o.com
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> In a message dated 11/25/2009 5:19:30 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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> mail@katinkahesseli nk.net writes:
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> I just meant that a well educated woman over 30 with a career of her own
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> would not be expected to change her name on marriage (in The Netherlands) I
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>
> just meant that a well educated woman over 30 with a career of her own
> would
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> not be expected to change her name
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> It's at the very least a branding thing: keeping the name you were known
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> to have started out your career with just helps avoid confusion. My mother
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> changed her professional name back to her maiden name, without divorcing my
>
>
> father, a few years ago. I think out of feminist ideals. Personally I would
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> not think of changing my name on marriage.
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> I've since been informed that this is a VERY Dutch perspective, not
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> relevant for Brazil.
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> I'm 35 - is that young even on an online site like this one?
>
> Katinka
>
> --- In
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> _ (http://www.charlesc osimano.com/) _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_
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> (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com) _, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
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> >
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> > Thanks for the info. As I recall, you mentioned about Jan Kind several
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> > months ago when the website was taken down after discovery.
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> >
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> > Your comment about your age, most here on the list are generally older
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> than
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> > you are!! You are young.
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> >
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> > MKR
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> >
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> > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Spirituality <mail@...>wrote:
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> > > I don't know who S.T. Adelante is.
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> > >
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> > > I can tell you that Jan Kind is married to Terezinha. She took his
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> name on
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> > > their marriage, even though she is quite a professional and older than
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> I am.
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> > > He is Dutch. She is Brazilian. They married only a few years ago. I
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> would
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> > > guess 8 or 9 years ago.
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> > >
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> > > Katinka
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> > >
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> > > _ (http://www.charlesc osimano.com/) _http://www.katinkah
> http://wwhttp_
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> (http://www.katinkah esselink. net/) _
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> > > _ (http://www.charlesc osimano.com/) _http://www.overpein http://ww_
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> (http://www.overpein zende.nl/) _
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> > > _ (http://www.charlesc osimano.com/) _http://www.allconsi http://www._
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> (http://www.allconsi dering.com/) _
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > --- In _ (http://www.charlesc osimano.com/)
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> _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com)
> <theos-talk% theos-talk% <WBthe>, MKR
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> > > <mkr777@> wrote:
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> > > >
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> > > > Thanks. When the website first came up, it was not public and when
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> > > > someone found out about it, it was taken down. It was at a time
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> > > > following the last International Election. It got resurrected
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> > > > subsequently.
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> > > >
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> > > > MKR
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> > > >
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> > > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@ > wrote:
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> > > > > In ULT publications, and lectures, it's a policy not to sign the
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> > > > > articles or give out the names of the lecturers -- since theosophy
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> > > > > teachings must stand on their own, and there should be no reliance
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> on
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> > > > > the authority, reputation or expertise of the writer/speaker. Ãâ
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> If the
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> > >
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> > > > > unknown writer's or lecturer's identity is a mystery, then his
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> > > > > writings or talks can be evaluated on its content alone, not on his
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> > > > > name or reputation.
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> > > > >
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> > > > > In the case of Adelante, we might assume he may be following those
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> > > > > rules and remaining anonymous -- which is in total accord with
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> HPB's
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> > > > > teachings, and was used by William Q. Judge in many of his
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> stories,
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> > > > > lectures and articles. Ãâ His real name only appeared on such works
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> > >
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> > > > > after he died, when students published his writings and lectures.
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> > > > > Although, he did use his name on most of his books.
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> > > > >
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> > > > > Judging by his postings, it's apparent that S.T. Adelante is a
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> > > > > student of HPB, and respects those closest to her original
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> teachings
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> > > > > and foundation of the original TS in America.
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> > > > >
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> > > > > LHM.
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> > > > >
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> > > > > On Nov 22, 2009, at 11/22/092:26 AM, MKR wrote:
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> > > > >
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> > > > >> Who is this mysterious S T Adelante?
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> Some months ago, I received a email from one S T Adelante who is
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> the
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> > > > >> administrator of a quaint website which is supposed to address
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> > > > >> theosophyÃÂÃâÂÃâÂs future. In response I sent a email part of
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> which I
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> > > quote:
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> ÃÂÃâÂÃ"I am not familiar with your name. I see you have an UK
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> email
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> > > address
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> > >
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> > > > >> and I suppose you are from that region. Which Lodge do you belong
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> to
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> > > > >> and what are your specific areas of interest? Do you hold any
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> offices
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> > > > >> in the TS?ÃÂÃâÂ
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> Adelante has not responded till today. I just read in a short
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> article
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> > > > >> on Internet regarding this personÃÂÃâÂÃâÂs identity. The article
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> says
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> > > ÃÂÃâÂÃ"The
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> > >
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> > > > >> persons in charge of Theosophy Forward do not say in their
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> website who
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> > > > >> they are, contrary to what is usual. The website manager uses the
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> > > > >> pseudonym ÃÂÃâÂÃ"ST AdelanteÃÂÃâ , and when some people asked
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> for the
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> > > identity
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> > > > >> of the responsible of the website, the answer was: ÃÂÃâÂÃ"It is
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> not
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> > > > >> necessary to know the people who are in chargeÃÂÃâ ÃÂÃâÂÃ"ÃÂÃâÂ
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> .
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> > >
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> This is really strange coming from anyone interested in
>
> theosophy. The
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> > > > >> number of active theosophists worldwide is quite minuscule. Hence
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> it
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> > > > >> is impossible to hide oneÃÂÃâÂÃâÂs identity unless they use a
>
> pseudonym. In
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> > >
>
> > > > >> the Internet forums, in the past, some theosophists have used
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> > > > >> pseudonyms to avoid taking personal responsibility for their
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> > > > >> statements in Internet. But, in time, their identities were
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> discovered
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> > > > >> to their public embarrassment.
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> > > > >>
>
> > > > >> I did some research about the website. It is registered with one
>
> Hans
>
> > > > >> Kind of Kind Internet Services in Netherland as the administrative
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> > > > >> contact. Late last year, I got a confirmation that one Jan
>
> Nicolaas
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> > > > >> Kind was involved in it. Googling Kind and theosophy, one comes
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> across
>
> > > > >> Terezinha Franca Kind who is a General Council member and one of
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> the
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> > > > >> nominators of John Algeo in the last Presidential Election. It is
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> my
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> > > > >> understanding that he and Terezinha are related.
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> The mystery is deepening. We do not know if Adelante is the
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> p_seudonym
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> > > > >> of Jan or Terezinha or that of some one else who dares not put
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> his/her
>
> > > > >> own real name. It is not uncommon for some people to protect
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> their
>
> > > > >> good name to operate either under a pseudonym or use others as a
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> > > > >> front. Any way one day truth will come out and then we can all
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> come to
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> > > > >> our own conclusions.
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> Anyone knows more about this mysterious Adelante???
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> MKR
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> There is no religion higher than truth
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> > > > >>
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> > > > >> visit www.theosophy. vi
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> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.
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