Theos-Talk Archives (August 2009 Message tt00016)

ah...unfortunately by the time truth reveals itself it no longer applies

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>From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, 2 August, 2009 2:12:17 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Betty Bland's Statement on 1980 Election
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>Truth ultimately triumphs. When truth comes out, let the chips fall where
>they may.
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>MKR
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>visit www.theosophy. net
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>On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:40 AM, preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com>wrote:
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>> And why should anyone give you the facts, MKR. When the facts are given,
>> you will turn around and doubt the integrity , emotional stability and
>> sanity of the truth-bearer. So then you only deserve lies, dishonesty,
>> comfortable rumours and gossip. You don't deserve the truth.
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>> Preethi
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>> --- On Fri, 31/7/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>> wrote:
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>> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
>> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Betty Bland's Statement on 1980 Election
>> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
>> Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 6:06 PM
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>> The comment about the 1980 election coming from the National President
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>> (General Secretary) of the American Section is very important for members
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>> world-wide. It is all the more so because I have never heard of even any
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>> rumors from anyone in all these years. If there are any facts
>> substantiating
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>> the comments, it is but fair that everyone is informed.
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>> As I have stated many times before, I am just an ordinary member of TS in
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>> America and everything I bring up is on my own initiative.
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>> MKR
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>> Visit www.theosophy. net
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>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:29 AM, preethi muthiah
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>> <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com>wrote:
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>> > MKR,
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>> > This is just curiosity again, but why do I get the feeling that you are
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>> > purposefully taking attention away from the scenario at Adyar vis-a-vis
>> the
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>> > corruption practised and endorsed by the President and her relatives to
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>> > things that happened much earlier than these revelations?
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>> > Please do forgive me if I am wrong, but are you working for someone at
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>> > Adyar who ensures that you talk against those who opposed the President
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>> > during the recent elections, so that too much attention is NOT focused on
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>> > the corrupt goings-on at Adyar?
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>> > I am just a curious member who observes certain things that the
>> "messenger"
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>> > does...
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>> > Preethi
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>> > --- On Fri, 31/7/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
>> wrote:
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>> > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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>> > Subject: Theos-World Re: Betty Bland's Statement on 1980 Election
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>> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
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>> > Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 7:46 AM
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>> > In a statement put out several weeks ago on a quaint website, Betty
>> Bland,
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>> > National President of Theosophical Society in America stated:
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>> > +++For example, the international presidential contest in 1980, when
>> Radha
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>> > Burnier won over Rukmini Devi, was also fraught with differences of
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>> > opinion.+++
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>> > No one has heard of any complaints regarding the 1980 election, either
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>> > Rukmini or her supporters inside TS or outside TS (there are many outside
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>> > TS
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>> > due to her long time involvement in the revival of Indian Dance and her
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>> > activities for Animal Welfare in India).
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>> > So this was a great surprise to me and many members around the world
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>> > because
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>> > we have never heard of this even in the gossip grape vine. Elected
>> General
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>> > Secretaries of National Sections hold important and prestigious positions
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>> > in
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>> > TS. Normally members highly regard and trust them. So anything they say
>> or
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>> > put in writing is expected to be truthful and backed up with verifiable
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>> > facts.
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>> > Having made the statement, is it unreasonable for dues paying members to
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>> > expect details behind the statement. I wrote to Betty on June 3 inquiring
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>> > about it. To this day, there is no response.
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>> > When a theosophical leader heading the second largest TS section, makes
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>> > statements, keeping silent only affects the opinion members have in their
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>> > leader and in turn reflects on TS. Since the motto of TS is There is no
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>> > religion higher than Truth, it also negatively affects the TS.
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>> > I hope we will hear from Betty soon. Continued silence cannot help her or
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>> > TSA.
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>> > MKR
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>> > visit www.theosophy. net
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>> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:31 PM, jasonsriram <jasonsriram@ yahoo.com>
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>> > wrote:
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>> > > MK
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>> > > Maybe it is just a case of "see it happened before". However, I agree
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>> > > your assessment that there was no case of claims of either
>> electioneering
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>> > > false or misleading statements from either party as I recall in 1980..
>> In
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>> > > fact I was in Adyar in 1980 and have no recollection of rancour or
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>> > > spatting as is occurring now.
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>> > > In 1976 she (Rukmini) was nominated to be President of India, a post
>> she
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>> > > declined. I spoke with her in 1981 about it and she stated she declined
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>> > > because she had "no interest in political life". So I really doubt that
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>> > it
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>> > > If Betty can disclose more on the source of her information I would be
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>> > > interested to know more on this.
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>> > > Jason
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>> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>,
>> MKR
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>> > > <mkr777@...> wrote:
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>> > > > Six weeks ago, Betty Bland, President (National Secretary) of TS in
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>> > > > Although no one is contesting the outcome of the 2008 presidential
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>> > > election,
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>> > > > the problem remains that the machinations of the international
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>> > elections
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>> > > > unsound. For example, the international presidential contest in 1980,
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>> > > when
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>> > > > Radha Burnier won over Rukmini Devi, was also fraught with
>> differences
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>> > > > +++
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>> > > > The comments coming from the National Head of TS in America, is
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>> > > > and need elaboration so that members can clearly understand the
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>> > > > Dictionary defines machinations as:
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>> > > > ** a scheming or crafty action or artful design intended to
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>> > > > When anyone holding a high position in a spiritual organization such
>> as
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>> > > > makes such statements, I think members are owed an explanation
>> backing
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>> > > > The second comment about the 1980 election, is even more interesting.
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>> > I
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>> > > > never seen any allegation from Rukmini Devi or her supporters inside
>> TS
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>> > > > outside TS about anything questionable about the 1980 election.
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>> > > > RukminiDevi, whose husband George
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>> > > > Arundale was President succeeding Annie Besant, is very widely known
>> in
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>> > > > India and around the world due to her long active involvement in TS
>> and
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>> > > her
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>> > > > other outside activities. If there was any problem whatsoever with
>> the
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>> > > > election, we would have heard them loud and clear soon after the
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>> > > election. I
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>> > > > have not heard of any allegation or complaint. I do not know what
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>> > > > information Betty Bland is privy to that ordinary members around the
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>> > > world
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>> > > > are ignorant of. When such public statements are made, it is not
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>> > > > unreasonable for members ask for substantiation.
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>> > > > Several weeks ago, I wrote an open letter to Betty requesting
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>> > > > The above situation does not help anyone. Already, level of trust
>> many
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>> > > > members have in the TS leaders is very low. This was the result of
>> the
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>> > > > election campaign and post election ultra secret attempt by general
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>> > > > members to disenfranchise members world-wide and seize the power to
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