Theos-Talk Archives (August 2009 Message tt00014)

I will wait and watch.

MKR

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On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:53 AM, preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@yahoo.com>wrote:

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> Preethi
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> --- On Sat, 1/8/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>> wrote:
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> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Betty Bland's Statement on 1980 Election
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, 1 August, 2009, 9:42 PM
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> Truth ultimately triumphs. When truth comes out, let the chips fall where
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> MKR
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> visit www.theosophy. net
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> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:40 AM, preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com
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> > And why should anyone give you the facts, MKR. When the facts are given,
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> > sanity of the truth-bearer. So then you only deserve lies, dishonesty,
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> > comfortable rumours and gossip. You don't deserve the truth.
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> > --- On Fri, 31/7/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Betty Bland's Statement on 1980 Election
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> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
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> > Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 6:06 PM
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> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:29 AM, preethi muthiah
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> > > This is just curiosity again, but why do I get the feeling that you are
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> > > purposefully taking attention away from the scenario at Adyar vis-a-vis
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> > > Please do forgive me if I am wrong, but are you working for someone at
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> > > --- On Fri, 31/7/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> > > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
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> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Betty Bland's Statement on 1980 Election
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> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
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> > > Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 7:46 AM
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> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>,
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