Re: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
Jul 09, 2009 09:22 PM
by Drpsionic
No more than anyone else.
If people would just realize how utterly simple this all is, we could save
ourselves a lot of time trying to explain it to them.
Chuck the Heretic
In a message dated 7/9/2009 6:58:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:
Have you had a spiritual awakening???H
Cass
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>From: "_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) "
<_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) >
>To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)
>Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 12:26:56 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>You already know how. It is a simple matter of meditating and letting the
>information in.
>
>Chuck the Heretic
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>In a message dated 7/9/2009 12:04:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>silva_cass@silva_cass@<WBR>yahoo.
>
>Well beam me up Scottie - I would like to know how to access it?
>
>Cass
>
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>>From: "_Drpsionic@From: "_Drpsionic@<WBR>aFrom: "_Drps
><_Drpsionic@_Drpsionic@<WBR>aol. Drp_ (m_Drpsionic@<WB>
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 2:56:01 PM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>>Oh dear. I have to put on my mad scientist hat and be Uncle Chuckie for
a
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>>moment.
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>>The important thing to understand is that there are no secrets. I mean
>>that quite literally. The moment something is known, the consciousness
>that
>>knows it automatically puts that information out in the ether, as it
>were.
>>(The whole mechanism is a bit complicted for an email but Dean Radin has
>>done some very good work describing it.) That information can then be
>>accessed by literally anyone with relatively little effort. Anyone who
>has any
>>experience at all in meditation can grab just about anything.
>>
>>What that means in practical terms, and one uses the term "practical" in
>>reference to anything involving the ES with some tons of salt, is that
>the
>>supposed "occult secrets" are no more secret than the evening news. The
>>very concept is absurd. The Dugpas do not have to infiltrate anything
>unless
>>they are looking for a good laugh. They have total access to everything
>>that they could want to know and more.
>>
>>Chuck the Heretic
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>>In a message dated 7/6/2009 8:49:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>silva_cass@ silva_cass@ <WBR>ya
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>>Depending on their level they would probably be aware of this knowledge
-
>>e.g. let's say, Leadbeater who learned of this knowledge and then
>succumed
>>to vain glory, one could say that he as a newly recruited dugpa would
>have a
>>fair insight into the laws of nature etc. given out by the Masters.
>>
>>If we take a look at the evidence presented it seems that if a dugpa was
>>operating through the TS there most likely avenue of mischief would be
to
>>cause misinformation on the teachings, the main aim being to cause a
lack
>of
>>credibility of those teachings.
>>
>>IMO, which has no solid evidence, the more disharmony these dugpas
create
>>the more energy they have to work with, however, I believe they are
>limited
>>in these powers and should humanity turn the corner in compassion and
>>understanding they would have nothing to work with. As far as a war in
>heaven
>>between the white brotherhood and the shadow brotherhood, I believe,
will
>>never occur, they are limited, the white brotherhood is not, but in
order
>to
>>work with our energy, and because of karma, we(humanity) need to change
>>our thinking and turn away from materialism. Although I do not mean by
>this
>>that we should all adorn ourselves in sackcloth and begging bowls! lol
>>
>>Cass
>>
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>>>From: robert_b_macd <_robert.b.macdonal _robert.b. macdonal< WB
>>(mailto:robert. (mailto:robert. <WBR>b.macd>
>>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@
yahoog
>>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 11:06:47 AM
>>>Subject: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>>>That begs the question, what could clever dugpas do with the
information
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>>released through the ES? What, perhaps, have they already done?
>>>
>>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ ...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps it is as simple as thinking that a pledge is a precautionary
>>act - a hope that if certain knowledge is given out that this knowledge
>will
>>not be used for selfish rather than altruistic reasons. There have been
>>certain scientists in the past that have intuitively known, eg Keely,
>that
>>if what he learnt was given out freely to the world this knowledge could
>be
>>used to destroy humanity. I guess in science one cannot surround the
>truth
>>in parable or allegory.
>>>>
>>>> Cass
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >From: Anand <AnandGholap@ ...>
>>>> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>> >Sent: Monday, 6 July, 2009 4:36:33 AM
>>>> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robert_b_macd"
>><robert.b.robert.b.<WBR>m> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dear Anand,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I missed answering one question that you had. You asked where the
>>higher self comes into this pledge. The pledge is ended with the words
>"So
>>Help Me, My Higher Self." The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge,
>and
>>occult forces from your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back
>to
>>sleep until you either succeed or fail on your journey over however many
>>lifetimes it takes. It is a serious pledge.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >Jerry told that ES members under Mrs. Radha make a pledge to follow
>>Mrs. Radha. Words used in current pledge are not the Outer Head or
>Masters.
>>Does that mean their souls will be following Mrs. Radha for many
>lifetimes?
>>>> >
>>>> >You wrote:
>>>> >"The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, and occult forces
>from
>>your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back to sleep until you
>>either succeed or fail on your journey over however many lifetimes it
>>takes."
>>>> >How can a person "either succeed or fail(permanently) ", when he
>would
>>be trying again if he fails?
>>>> >
>>>> >You wrote:
>>>> >> Regardless, as I do not see a binding pledge as being necessary
for
>>a reformed ES, the second part of this clause could be done away with,
>and
>>the pledge would be left as a set of moral guidelines.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >You don't need separate ES organization for taking such a pledge.
One
>>can sign the pledge of following moral guidelines, keep it with himself
>or
>>send it to the HQ and they will file it. May be it is better to keep
>>secrecy regarding who made such a pledge.
>>>> >Divisions get created in TS when you form a separate Esoteric
>Section.
>>Politics and other evils enter due to creation of such separate Section.
>>>> >Best
>>>> >Anand Gholap
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
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