Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00173)

The information was available long before HPB.  We know the Romans  used it.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 7/9/2009 6:57:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:

 
 


it came out of the bag - about the same time HPB was checking in to  
devachan

Cass

>
>From: "_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) " 
<_Drpsionic@aol.Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol.com) >
>To: _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
>Sent:  Friday, 10 July, 2009 12:27:33 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Chucks magic  mirrors!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>It never was in the  bag to begin with.
>
>Chuck the heretic
>
>
>In  a message dated 7/9/2009 12:11:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>silva_cass@silva_cass@<WBR>ya
>
>Yep, that is what I  wrote a couple of weeks ago. The cat was let out of 
>the bag 50 years  ago.
>
>Cass
>
>>
>>From:  "_Drpsionic@From:  "_Drpsionic@<WBR>aFrom:  "_Drps
><_Drpsionic@_Drpsionic@<WBR>aol. Drp_ (m_Drpsionic@<WB>
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_  (mailto:theos-To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
>>Sent: Thursday, 9 July,  2009 2:35:59 PM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Chucks magic  mirrors!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Really,  none of this stuff is a great secret. All the techniques have 
>>been  published long ago.
>>
>>Chuck the  Heretic
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 7/8/2009 9:04:35  P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>>silva_cass@ silva_cass@  <WBR>ya
>>
>>When Anand talks about a democracy what  he is really wanting is a benign 
>>dictator (and preferably one who  has his ear) If the net goes down we 
>would 
>>either revert  back to weekly meetings, walk-ins off the street or for us 
>>oldies,  study autonomously and communicate via snail mail or  fax.
>>
>>There is no theosophical reason why the Masters  and their disciples 
could 
>>not work through the astral. I read that  way back in 1888, KH mentioned 
>in 
>>one of his letters that  he had far more important work to do regarding 
>>China than spending  wasted hours trying to convince Hume of one thing or 
 
>>another.
>>
>>Cass
>>
>>>
>>>From:  Morten Nymann Olesen <_global-theosophy@ global-thgl_  
>>(mailto:global- (mailto:global-  <WBR>theos>
>>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_  (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@ 
yahoog
>>>Sent: Thursday, 9 July,  2009 2:38:46 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Chucks magic  mirrors!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Now,  if the central Server starts to blush too much because it gets  
>>infected with a non-theosophical worm with a red hat, I think we  will 
>have to 
>>modify the situation or at least clean some  of the mirrors so to avoid 
>the 
>>"flu" from sprading so to  speak. :-)
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----  
>>>From: Drpsionic@aol. com 
>>>To:  theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009  5:19 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Chucks magic  mirrors!!!
>>>
>>>I'm  blushing.
>>>
>>>Chuck the  Heretic
>>>
>>>In a message dated 7/8/2009 10:11:32  A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>>>monad_monad_ monad@yahoo. com  writes:
>>>
>>>This description of the magic mirrors  may sound a little far out to 
some 
>
>>>but it describes in  a somewhat cryptic and simplified way how the 
>>advanced  
>>>members of a spiritual group telepathically work on the inner  planes 
>>>amongst themselves. In this way they bypass all this  personality 
>>crap-o-la. 
>>>Highly developed minds that  may have left there bodies and are no 
longer 
>>>hindered by time  and space as we understand it. 
>>>In fact the net and the modern  information highway may be a stepped 
down 
>>>version of that work  that will require many cycles to develop and 
>>perfect.  
>>>Then theosophy will not be here or there but EVERYWHERE. Chuck  who's 
>>heresy 
>>>is more in the nature of a series of  zen parables is right on in so 
much 
>>of 
>>>what he  posts.
>>>No one with any real background in Theosophical studies  can take what 
is 
>>>often posted on a number of these different  Theosophical websites 
>>seriously.
>>>If I get the drift  of Chucks many humorous and satirical post there is 
>>>a lot of  wisdom in just going to the source and bypassing all this 
>>nonsense  
>>>that tries to pass for serious Theosophy. In fact this  description of 
>>>Chucks outline of a Master computer and all the  connecting mirrors may 
>>>parallel and be a good description of  how the Masters work with there 
>>advanced 
>>>students  or disciples in the ether's.
>>>Keep up the good work Chuck your  heresy keeps the world alive and its 
>>many 
>>>children  from following asleep and going completely comatose.
>>>Blessings  Duane.
>>>
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>>>From: "_Augoeides- 222@Augoeides- 2_  (mailto:Augoeides- From: 
>"_Augoeides-  
>>2
>>><_Augoeides- 222@Augoeides- 2_  (mailto:Augoeides- _Augoeides- 22>
>>>To: _theos-talk@  yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@  
>yahoog
>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 3:16:01  AM
>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Theosophical Democracy vs  Theosophical Autonomy
>>>
>>>MIRROR MIRROR ON THE  WALLLLL WHO IS THE THEOSOPHIST BEST OF 
>>>ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL  ??????????? 
>>>
>>>(Large cracking sound---followed  by the sound of tinkling glass hitting 
>>>the floor!!!! Lol!)  
>>>
>>>John 
>>>----- Original Message  ----- 
>>>From: Drpsionic@aol. com 
>>>To:  theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009  8:39:37 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
>>>Subject: Re:  Theos-World Theosophical Democracy vs Theosophical 
Autonomy  
>>>
>>>Ok, this is going to get a bit off the wall  sounding but it has been 
>done 
>>>in occult history. Let  us take the scenario that the internet goes down 
>>>and stays  down, as unlikely as it seems. We have a method of 
>>communication  
>>>that is virtually unstoppable- -the old, reliable magic  mirror. 
>>>
>>>Using the net as a good analogy to how  it would work, you have a 
storage 
>>>field, a big thoughtform if  you will, that acts as the central server. 
>>The  
>>>mirrors are all linked to the server by the will of their  operators. 
So, 
>>>whenever anyone wants to get a message out to  one's fellow 
Theosophists, 
>>>one 
>>>need only  meditate on the message and put it into his mirror. It then 
>>goes  
>>>automatically to the server and out to everyone else through  their 
>>>mirrors. 
>>>
>>>Sounds weird?  Read the description of the Shrine Room HPB had built in 
>>>the  London Lodge. They were working with some interesting stuff back  
>>then. 
>>>
>>>Chuck the Heretic  
>>>
>>>In a message dated 7/7/2009 8:45:41 P.M.  Central Daylight Time, 
>>>robert.b.robert.b.<WBR>macdonal robert.b< WBR< WBR
>>>
>>>A few more thoughts .  . . 
>>>
>>>This discussion seems to be getting hung  up on the theory that a truly 
>>>democratic Society would solve  our problems, or it is argued on the 
>other 
>>>hand  
>>>that we do not even need a Society, theosophy has been  disseminated in 
>>the 
>>>West, and we need only study  what we all have access to. It is argued 
>>that 
>>>the  internet can be the tie that binds us all.  
>>>
>>>Theosophy does not exist in a vacuum, it is a  reflection of the world 
>>>around us and we again are reflected  into that world. Chuck pointed out 
>>>one of 
>>>the  deeper truths, that being, knowledge gets reflected into the ether  
>>and 
>>>then over time is reflected back into us,  informing us all. I have 
often 
>>>thought, that if the TS could  discover a new way to govern itself, then 
>>>perhaps this would  signal that the world is on the verge of doing the 
>>>same.  
>>>Theosophy was introduced to the West in order to lead thought  in new 
>>>directions 
>>>and have that thought evolve  our institutions. In order to do that we 
>>>don't have to be  noticed by everyone, if Chuck is right, as soon as we 
>>>change  
>>>that will seed the crystal, if you like, of change all around  us. 
>>>
>>>Cass has brought up the whole issue of  autonomy. Right now, if you are 
>>not 
>>>surrounded by  a like minded group of theosophists who are going to 
allow 
>>>you  to develop along lines you feel are right, the best thing to do is  
>>>study 
>>>alone, and perhaps interact with others  half-way around the globe on 
the 
>>>internet and do the best you  can in these spiritually dark times. Who 
>can 
>>>argue  with that? We are talking about change here and it certainly does 
 
>>>not 
>>>seem like people, theosophists included,  are open to real change. 
>>>
>>>On the other hand  Anand is suggesting that a true democracy will solve 
>>all  
>>>of our problems. Democracy is the silver bullet that will slay  the 
beast 
>>>of totalitarianism. But what is it and how is it  going to work? Some 
say 
>>>that the TS began as the most  democratic of institutions but look at it 
>>>now.  
>>>If India, Pakistan, and other developing Nations are allowed  to achieve 
>>>economic power, then they will learn that democracy  is no protection. 
>Ask 
>>>any 
>>>educated  individual from the West about democracy, and if they think 
>>about  
>>>it for even a few moments, they will have to admit that in any  election 
>>>they 
>>>have ever voted in, they  invariably have voted for the individual that 
>>>they have  disliked the least. Populist leaders like Obama are rare, and 
 
>>>when 
>>>they do achieve power their voting  records are no less corrupt than all 
>>>the 
>>>rest.  It is not enough to claim that democracy is the panacea, we need 
>to  
>>>know the details. 
>>>
>>>How can a  Society remain democratic when it invariably has to struggle  
>>>with an uneducated and apathetic electorate. Who in this group  knew 
>>>anything 
>>>about the by-laws of the Society  to which they belong before this last 
>>>election? Those who do  not belong to the Adyar Society, who among you 
>>know  
>>>anything about your Societies' bylaws now? Democracy is  nothing without 
>>an 
>>>informed and engaged  electorate. The problem is not about 
re-instituting 
>>>democracy,  it is about re-inventing the electorate, how do you do that? 
 
>>>Again, the 
>>>answer Cass gives seems to be  ringing loud now, you wait until they are 
>>>born. But what if  they are out there now, waiting for a form of 
>>government  
>>>that will inform them and engage them. What would the nature  of that 
>>>government be? Change has never come before the idea,  how could it? 
>>>
>>>What happens if governments take  the internet away tomorrow, or limit 
it 
>>>in such ways that you  dare not speak your mind or relate to others of 
>>>similar mind?  Then where will the TS be? We will be stuck with a TS  
>>>leadership 
>>>that is probably a reflection of  the government leaders that took away 
>>the 
>>>internet  or we will be totally autonomous reading and studying 
theosophy  
>>>under 
>>>a dim lamp in a dark basement. The  governments will still be 
democratic, 
>>>you can either vote for  this tool of the unseen power or that tool of 
>the  
>>>unseen power. 
>>>
>>>I suspect it is  important that theosophists think about these 
questions,  
>
>>>because if we can figure them out, perhaps humanity  would be ready to 
>>>follow.  
>>>
>>>Robert Bruce  
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