Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00187)

I have an aversion to meditation so I guess it aint going to happen to me real fast!

Cass


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>From: "Drpsionic@aol.com" <Drpsionic@aol.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 2:22:39 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>No more than anyone else.
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>If people would just realize how utterly simple this all is, we could save 
>ourselves a lot of time trying to explain it to them.
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>Chuck the Heretic
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>In a message dated 7/9/2009 6:58:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>silva_cass@yahoo. com writes:
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>Have you had a spiritual awakening??? H
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>Cass
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>>From: "_Drpsionic@aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol. com) " 
><_Drpsionic@aol. Drp_ (mailto:Drpsionic@aol. com) >
>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com) 
>>Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 12:26:56 AM
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>>You already know how. It is a simple matter of meditating and letting the 
>>information in.
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>>Chuck the Heretic
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>>In a message dated 7/9/2009 12:04:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>>silva_cass@ silva_cass@ <WBR>yahoo.
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>>Well beam me up Scottie - I would like to know how to access it?
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>>Cass
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>>>From: "_Drpsionic@ From: "_Drpsionic@ <WBR>aFrom: "_Drps
>><_Drpsionic@ _Drpsionic@ <WBR>aol. Drp_ (m_Drpsionic@ <WB>
>>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@ yahoog
>>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 2:56:01 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>>>Oh dear. I have to put on my mad scientist hat and be Uncle Chuckie for 
>a 
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>>>moment.
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>>>The important thing to understand is that there are no secrets. I mean 
>>>that quite literally. The moment something is known, the consciousness 
>>that 
>>>knows it automatically puts that information out in the ether, as it 
>>were. 
>>>(The whole mechanism is a bit complicted for an email but Dean Radin has 
>>>done some very good work describing it.) That information can then be 
>>>accessed by literally anyone with relatively little effort. Anyone who 
>>has any 
>>>experience at all in meditation can grab just about anything.
>>>
>>>What that means in practical terms, and one uses the term "practical" in 
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>>>reference to anything involving the ES with some tons of salt, is that 
>>the 
>>>supposed "occult secrets" are no more secret than the evening news. The 
>>>very concept is absurd. The Dugpas do not have to infiltrate anything 
>>unless 
>>>they are looking for a good laugh. They have total access to everything 
>>>that they could want to know and more.
>>>
>>>Chuck the Heretic
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>>>In a message dated 7/6/2009 8:49:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>>>silva_cass@ silva_cass@ <WBR>ya
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>>>Depending on their level they would probably be aware of this knowledge 
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>>>e.g. let's say, Leadbeater who learned of this knowledge and then 
>>succumed 
>>>to vain glory, one could say that he as a newly recruited dugpa would 
>>have a 
>>>fair insight into the laws of nature etc. given out by the Masters. 
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>>>If we take a look at the evidence presented it seems that if a dugpa was 
>>>operating through the TS there most likely avenue of mischief would be 
>to 
>>>cause misinformation on the teachings, the main aim being to cause a 
>lack 
>>of 
>>>credibility of those teachings.
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>>>IMO, which has no solid evidence, the more disharmony these dugpas 
>create 
>>>the more energy they have to work with, however, I believe they are 
>>limited 
>>>in these powers and should humanity turn the corner in compassion and 
>>>understanding they would have nothing to work with. As far as a war in 
>>heaven 
>>>between the white brotherhood and the shadow brotherhood, I believe, 
>will 
>>>never occur, they are limited, the white brotherhood is not, but in 
>order 
>>to 
>>>work with our energy, and because of karma, we(humanity) need to change 
>>>our thinking and turn away from materialism. Although I do not mean by 
>>this 
>>>that we should all adorn ourselves in sackcloth and begging bowls! lol
>>>
>>>Cass
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>>>>From: robert_b_macd <_robert.b.macdonal _robert.b. macdonal< WB
>>>(mailto:robert. (mailto:robert. <WBR>b.macd>
>>>>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos- To: _theos-talk@ 
>yahoog
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 11:06:47 AM
>>>>Subject: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>>>>That begs the question, what could clever dugpas do with the 
>information 
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>>>released through the ES? What, perhaps, have they already done?
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>>>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ ...> wrote:
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>>>>> Perhaps it is as simple as thinking that a pledge is a precautionary 
>>>act - a hope that if certain knowledge is given out that this knowledge 
>>will 
>>>not be used for selfish rather than altruistic reasons. There have been 
>>>certain scientists in the past that have intuitively known, eg Keely, 
>>that 
>>>if what he learnt was given out freely to the world this knowledge could 
>>be 
>>>used to destroy humanity. I guess in science one cannot surround the 
>>truth 
>>>in parable or allegory.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cass
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>>>>> >
>>>>> >From: Anand <AnandGholap@ ...>
>>>>> >To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>>>>> >Sent: Monday, 6 July, 2009 4:36:33 AM
>>>>> >Subject: Theos-World Re: Synthesizing Organizatonal Discussion 2
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>>>>> >
>>>>> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "robert_b_macd" 
>>><robert.b. robert.b. <WBR>m> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >> Dear Anand,
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >> I missed answering one question that you had. You asked where the 
>>>higher self comes into this pledge. The pledge is ended with the words 
>>"So 
>>>Help Me, My Higher Self." The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, 
>>and 
>>>occult forces from your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back 
>>to 
>>>sleep until you either succeed or fail on your journey over however many 
>>>lifetimes it takes. It is a serious pledge.
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Jerry told that ES members under Mrs. Radha make a pledge to follow 
>>>Mrs. Radha. Words used in current pledge are not the Outer Head or 
>>Masters. 
>>>Does that mean their souls will be following Mrs. Radha for many 
>>lifetimes?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >You wrote:
>>>>> >"The Higher Self is made witness to the pledge, and occult forces 
>>from 
>>>your Higher Self are activated and cannot be put back to sleep until you 
>>>either succeed or fail on your journey over however many lifetimes it 
>>>takes." 
>>>>> >How can a person "either succeed or fail(permanently) ", when he 
>>would 
>>>be trying again if he fails?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >You wrote:
>>>>> >> Regardless, as I do not see a binding pledge as being necessary 
>for 
>>>a reformed ES, the second part of this clause could be done away with, 
>>and 
>>>the pledge would be left as a set of moral guidelines.
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> >
>>>>> >You don't need separate ES organization for taking such a pledge. 
>One 
>>>can sign the pledge of following moral guidelines, keep it with himself 
>>or 
>>>send it to the HQ and they will file it. May be it is better to keep 
>>>secrecy regarding who made such a pledge.
>>>>> >Divisions get created in TS when you form a separate Esoteric 
>>Section. 
>>>Politics and other evils enter due to creation of such separate Section.
>>>>> >Best
>>>>> >Anand Gholap
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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