Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00110)

When Anand talks about a democracy what he is really wanting is a benign dictator (and preferably one who has his ear)  If the net goes down we would either revert back to weekly meetings, walk-ins off the street or for us oldies, study autonomously and communicate via snail mail or fax.

There is no theosophical reason why the Masters and their disciples could not work through the astral.  I read that way back in 1888, KH mentioned in one of his letters that he had far more important work to do regarding China than spending wasted hours trying to convince Hume of one thing or another.

Cass


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>From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2009 2:38:46 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Chucks magic mirrors!!!
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>Now, if the central Server starts to blush too much because it gets infected with a non-theosophical worm with a red hat, I think we will have to modify the situation or at least clean some of the mirrors so to avoid the "flu" from sprading so to speak. :-)
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Drpsionic@aol. com 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:19 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Chucks magic mirrors!!!
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>I'm blushing.
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>Chuck the Heretic
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>In a message dated 7/8/2009 10:11:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>monad_monad_ monad@yahoo. com writes:
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>This description of the magic mirrors may sound a little far out to some 
>but it describes in a somewhat cryptic and simplified way how the advanced 
>members of a spiritual group telepathically work on the inner planes 
>amongst themselves. In this way they bypass all this personality crap-o-la. 
>Highly developed minds that may have left there bodies and are no longer 
>hindered by time and space as we understand it. 
>In fact the net and the modern information highway may be a stepped down 
>version of that work that will require many cycles to develop and perfect. 
>Then theosophy will not be here or there but EVERYWHERE. Chuck who's heresy 
>is more in the nature of a series of zen parables is right on in so much of 
>what he posts.
>No one with any real background in Theosophical studies can take what is 
>often posted on a number of these different Theosophical websites seriously.
>If I get the drift of Chucks many humorous and satirical post there is 
>a lot of wisdom in just going to the source and bypassing all this nonsense 
>that tries to pass for serious Theosophy. In fact this description of 
>Chucks outline of a Master computer and all the connecting mirrors may 
>parallel and be a good description of how the Masters work with there advanced 
>students or disciples in the ether's.
>Keep up the good work Chuck your heresy keeps the world alive and its many 
>children from following asleep and going completely comatose.
>Blessings Duane.
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>From: "_Augoeides- 222@Augoeides- 2_ (mailto:Augoeides-222@ comcast.net) " 
><_Augoeides- 222@Augoeides- 2_ (mailto:Augoeides-222@ comcast.net) >
>To: _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com) 
>Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 3:16:01 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Theosophical Democracy vs Theosophical Autonomy
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>MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALLLLL WHO IS THE THEOSOPHIST BEST OF 
>ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL ??????????? 
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>(Large cracking sound---followed by the sound of tinkling glass hitting 
>the floor!!!! Lol!) 
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>John 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Drpsionic@aol. com 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 8:39:37 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Theosophical Democracy vs Theosophical Autonomy 
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>Ok, this is going to get a bit off the wall sounding but it has been done 
>in occult history. Let us take the scenario that the internet goes down 
>and stays down, as unlikely as it seems. We have a method of communication 
>that is virtually unstoppable- -the old, reliable magic mirror. 
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>Using the net as a good analogy to how it would work, you have a storage 
>field, a big thoughtform if you will, that acts as the central server. The 
>mirrors are all linked to the server by the will of their operators. So, 
>whenever anyone wants to get a message out to one's fellow Theosophists, 
>one 
>need only meditate on the message and put it into his mirror. It then goes 
>automatically to the server and out to everyone else through their 
>mirrors. 
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>Sounds weird? Read the description of the Shrine Room HPB had built in 
>the London Lodge. They were working with some interesting stuff back then. 
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>Chuck the Heretic 
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>In a message dated 7/7/2009 8:45:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>robert.b.macdonald@ hotmail.com writes: 
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>A few more thoughts . . . 
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>This discussion seems to be getting hung up on the theory that a truly 
>democratic Society would solve our problems, or it is argued on the other 
>hand 
>that we do not even need a Society, theosophy has been disseminated in the 
>West, and we need only study what we all have access to. It is argued that 
>the internet can be the tie that binds us all. 
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>Theosophy does not exist in a vacuum, it is a reflection of the world 
>around us and we again are reflected into that world. Chuck pointed out 
>one of 
>the deeper truths, that being, knowledge gets reflected into the ether and 
>then over time is reflected back into us, informing us all. I have often 
>thought, that if the TS could discover a new way to govern itself, then 
>perhaps this would signal that the world is on the verge of doing the 
>same. 
>Theosophy was introduced to the West in order to lead thought in new 
>directions 
>and have that thought evolve our institutions. In order to do that we 
>don't have to be noticed by everyone, if Chuck is right, as soon as we 
>change 
>that will seed the crystal, if you like, of change all around us. 
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>Cass has brought up the whole issue of autonomy. Right now, if you are not 
>surrounded by a like minded group of theosophists who are going to allow 
>you to develop along lines you feel are right, the best thing to do is 
>study 
>alone, and perhaps interact with others half-way around the globe on the 
>internet and do the best you can in these spiritually dark times. Who can 
>argue with that? We are talking about change here and it certainly does 
>not 
>seem like people, theosophists included, are open to real change. 
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>On the other hand Anand is suggesting that a true democracy will solve all 
>of our problems. Democracy is the silver bullet that will slay the beast 
>of totalitarianism. But what is it and how is it going to work? Some say 
>that the TS began as the most democratic of institutions but look at it 
>now. 
>If India, Pakistan, and other developing Nations are allowed to achieve 
>economic power, then they will learn that democracy is no protection. Ask 
>any 
>educated individual from the West about democracy, and if they think about 
>it for even a few moments, they will have to admit that in any election 
>they 
>have ever voted in, they invariably have voted for the individual that 
>they have disliked the least. Populist leaders like Obama are rare, and 
>when 
>they do achieve power their voting records are no less corrupt than all 
>the 
>rest. It is not enough to claim that democracy is the panacea, we need to 
>know the details. 
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>How can a Society remain democratic when it invariably has to struggle 
>with an uneducated and apathetic electorate. Who in this group knew 
>anything 
>about the by-laws of the Society to which they belong before this last 
>election? Those who do not belong to the Adyar Society, who among you know 
>anything about your Societies' bylaws now? Democracy is nothing without an 
>informed and engaged electorate. The problem is not about re-instituting 
>democracy, it is about re-inventing the electorate, how do you do that? 
>Again, the 
>answer Cass gives seems to be ringing loud now, you wait until they are 
>born. But what if they are out there now, waiting for a form of government 
>that will inform them and engage them. What would the nature of that 
>government be? Change has never come before the idea, how could it? 
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>What happens if governments take the internet away tomorrow, or limit it 
>in such ways that you dare not speak your mind or relate to others of 
>similar mind? Then where will the TS be? We will be stuck with a TS 
>leadership 
>that is probably a reflection of the government leaders that took away the 
>internet or we will be totally autonomous reading and studying theosophy 
>under 
>a dim lamp in a dark basement. The governments will still be democratic, 
>you can either vote for this tool of the unseen power or that tool of the 
>unseen power. 
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>I suspect it is important that theosophists think about these questions, 
>because if we can figure them out, perhaps humanity would be ready to 
>follow. 
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>Robert Bruce 
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