Theos-Talk Archives (July 2009 Message tt00129)

Really, none of this stuff is a great secret.  All the techniques have  
been published long ago.
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
 
In a message dated 7/8/2009 9:04:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:

 
 


When Anand talks about a democracy what he is really wanting is a benign  
dictator (and preferably one who has his ear)  If the net goes down  we would 
either revert back to weekly meetings, walk-ins off the  street or for us 
oldies, study autonomously and communicate via snail  mail or fax.

There is no theosophical reason why the Masters and their  disciples could 
not work through the astral.  I read that way back in  1888, KH mentioned in 
one of his letters that he had far more important work  to do regarding 
China than spending wasted hours trying to convince Hume of  one thing or 
another.

Cass

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>From: Morten Nymann  Olesen <_global-theosophy@global-thgl_ 
(mailto:global-theosophy@stofanet.dk) >
>To:  _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_ (mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com) 
>Sent:  Thursday, 9 July, 2009 2:38:46 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Chucks magic  mirrors!!!
>
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>Now, if the central  Server starts to blush too much because it gets 
infected with a  non-theosophical worm with a red hat, I think we will have to 
modify the  situation or at least clean some of the mirrors so to avoid the 
"flu" from  sprading so to speak. :-)
>
>----- Original Message -----  
>From: Drpsionic@aol. com 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com  
>Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:19 PM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World  Chucks magic mirrors!!!
>
>I'm blushing.
>
>Chuck the  Heretic
>
>In a message dated 7/8/2009 10:11:32 A.M. Central  Daylight Time, 
>monad_monad_ monad@yahoo. com  writes:
>
>This description of the magic mirrors may sound a  little far out to some 
>but it describes in a somewhat cryptic and  simplified way how the 
advanced 
>members of a spiritual group  telepathically work on the inner planes 
>amongst themselves. In this  way they bypass all this personality 
crap-o-la. 
>Highly developed minds  that may have left there bodies and are no longer 
>hindered by time and  space as we understand it. 
>In fact the net and the modern information  highway may be a stepped down 
>version of that work that will require  many cycles to develop and 
perfect. 
>Then theosophy will not be here or  there but EVERYWHERE. Chuck who's 
heresy 
>is more in the nature of a  series of zen parables is right on in so much 
of 
>what he  posts.
>No one with any real background in Theosophical studies can take  what is 
>often posted on a number of these different Theosophical  websites 
seriously.
>If I get the drift of Chucks many humorous and  satirical post there is 
>a lot of wisdom in just going to the source  and bypassing all this 
nonsense 
>that tries to pass for serious  Theosophy. In fact this description of 
>Chucks outline of a Master  computer and all the connecting mirrors may 
>parallel and be a good  description of how the Masters work with there 
advanced 
>students or  disciples in the ether's.
>Keep up the good work Chuck your heresy keeps  the world alive and its 
many 
>children from following asleep and going  completely comatose.
>Blessings Duane.
>
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>To:  _theos-talk@ yahoogrotheos- t_ (mailto:theos-To:  _theos-talk@ yahoog
>Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 3:16:01 AM
>Subject: Re:  Theos-World Theosophical Democracy vs Theosophical  Autonomy
>
>MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALLLLL WHO IS THE THEOSOPHIST  BEST OF 
>ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL ??????????? 
>
>(Large cracking  sound---followed by the sound of tinkling glass hitting 
>the floor!!!!  Lol!) 
>
>John 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From:  Drpsionic@aol. com 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
>Sent:  Tuesday, July 7, 2009 8:39:37 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
>Subject:  Re: Theos-World Theosophical Democracy vs Theosophical Autonomy  
>
>Ok, this is going to get a bit off the wall sounding but it  has been done 
>in occult history. Let us take the scenario that the  internet goes down 
>and stays down, as unlikely as it seems. We have a  method of 
communication 
>that is virtually unstoppable- -the old,  reliable magic mirror. 
>
>Using the net as a good analogy to how  it would work, you have a storage 
>field, a big thoughtform if you  will, that acts as the central server. 
The 
>mirrors are all linked to  the server by the will of their operators. So, 
>whenever anyone wants  to get a message out to one's fellow Theosophists, 
>one 
>need  only meditate on the message and put it into his mirror. It then 
goes  
>automatically to the server and out to everyone else through their  
>mirrors. 
>
>Sounds weird? Read the description of the  Shrine Room HPB had built in 
>the London Lodge. They were working with  some interesting stuff back 
then. 
>
>Chuck the Heretic  
>
>In a message dated 7/7/2009 8:45:41 P.M. Central Daylight  Time, 
>robert.b.macdonaldrobert.b.macdonald<WBR
>
>A  few more thoughts . . . 
>
>This discussion seems to be getting  hung up on the theory that a truly 
>democratic Society would solve our  problems, or it is argued on the other 
>hand 
>that we do not  even need a Society, theosophy has been disseminated in 
the 
>West, and  we need only study what we all have access to. It is argued 
that 
>the  internet can be the tie that binds us all. 
>
>Theosophy does not  exist in a vacuum, it is a reflection of the world 
>around us and we  again are reflected into that world. Chuck pointed out 
>one of  
>the deeper truths, that being, knowledge gets reflected into the ether  
and 
>then over time is reflected back into us, informing us all. I have  often 
>thought, that if the TS could discover a new way to govern  itself, then 
>perhaps this would signal that the world is on the verge  of doing the 
>same. 
>Theosophy was introduced to the West in  order to lead thought in new 
>directions 
>and have that thought  evolve our institutions. In order to do that we 
>don't have to be  noticed by everyone, if Chuck is right, as soon as we 
>change  
>that will seed the crystal, if you like, of change all around us.  
>
>Cass has brought up the whole issue of autonomy. Right now, if  you are 
not 
>surrounded by a like minded group of theosophists who are  going to allow 
>you to develop along lines you feel are right, the best  thing to do is 
>study 
>alone, and perhaps interact with others  half-way around the globe on the 
>internet and do the best you can in  these spiritually dark times. Who can 
>argue with that? We are talking  about change here and it certainly does 
>not 
>seem like people,  theosophists included, are open to real change. 
>
>On the other  hand Anand is suggesting that a true democracy will solve 
all 
>of our  problems. Democracy is the silver bullet that will slay the beast 
>of  totalitarianism. But what is it and how is it going to work? Some say  
>that the TS began as the most democratic of institutions but look at  it 
>now. 
>If India, Pakistan, and other developing Nations are  allowed to achieve 
>economic power, then they will learn that democracy  is no protection. Ask 
>any 
>educated individual from the West  about democracy, and if they think 
about 
>it for even a few moments,  they will have to admit that in any election 
>they 
>have ever  voted in, they invariably have voted for the individual that 
>they have  disliked the least. Populist leaders like Obama are rare, and 
>when  
>they do achieve power their voting records are no less corrupt than  all 
>the 
>rest. It is not enough to claim that democracy is the  panacea, we need to 
>know the details. 
>
>How can a  Society remain democratic when it invariably has to struggle 
>with an  uneducated and apathetic electorate. Who in this group knew 
>anything  
>about the by-laws of the Society to which they belong before this last  
>election? Those who do not belong to the Adyar Society, who among you  
know 
>anything about your Societies' bylaws now? Democracy is nothing  without 
an 
>informed and engaged electorate. The problem is not about  re-instituting 
>democracy, it is about re-inventing the electorate, how  do you do that? 
>Again, the 
>answer Cass gives seems to be  ringing loud now, you wait until they are 
>born. But what if they are  out there now, waiting for a form of 
government 
>that will inform them  and engage them. What would the nature of that 
>government be? Change  has never come before the idea, how could it? 
>
>What happens if  governments take the internet away tomorrow, or limit it 
>in such ways  that you dare not speak your mind or relate to others of 
>similar mind?  Then where will the TS be? We will be stuck with a TS 
>leadership  
>that is probably a reflection of the government leaders that took away  
the 
>internet or we will be totally autonomous reading and studying  theosophy 
>under 
>a dim lamp in a dark basement. The governments  will still be democratic, 
>you can either vote for this tool of the  unseen power or that tool of the 
>unseen power. 
>
>I  suspect it is important that theosophists think about these questions,  
>because if we can figure them out, perhaps humanity would be ready to  
>follow. 
>
>Robert Bruce 
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