Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00418)

aaah we have been infiltrated by the lizards! lol
Cass


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>From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, 19 June, 2009 8:27:41 AM
>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Strange pattern of secrecy/non transparency
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>Interlocking of so called unrelated organizations such as Co-Masonry and LCC
>also can be a constraining factor for those who want to move up and become a
>Pope and feel good in the costume that is supposed to show off who is the
>Pope. During the litigation of Co-masonry in the USA, guess where the head
>of (pro TSA) comasonry was residing? Krotona? Can be claimed accidental!
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>MKR
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>Visit www.theosophy. net
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>On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:05 PM, robertapimenta26 <
>robertapimenta26@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Mr. Ramadoss,
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>> The secrecy, and the strange, darkish political games being played behind
>> closed doors, is so bad for the TS Adyar. The ES is not transparent that is
>> a fact, but is should be above all politics. All can read this in TS
>> literature. Olcott at first was opposed to the ES, afraid for a state in the
>> state. Perhaps he was right after all!! The Pasadena group was wise to
>> dissolve the ES.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>, MKR
>> <mkr777@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Strange pattern of secrecy/non transparency
>> >
>> > It looks like, in the leadership around the world and the underlings who,
>> > for all practical purposes, seem to be under the thumb of the leaders,
>> there
>> > is a pattern of secrecy/non transparency and silence.
>> >
>> > .
>> >
>> > Many long time members of this and other theosophical maillists know
>> > that you rarely see any of the leaders world-wide or anyone who has
>> anything
>> > to do with the administration participate or comment on anything good or
>> bad
>> > or indifferent happening to TS. During the last almost 15 years, only two
>> > General Secretaries have participated on this maillist. They are, the
>> late
>> > Einar from Iceland and Warwick from NZ. Has anyone come up with a reason
>> > why?
>> >
>> > .
>> >
>> > Also even in the USA, we have not seen any of those who are or were in
>> the
>> > administration participate in any of the maillists and I do not think
>> that
>> > this is accidental. We all know that this list is being monitored by the
>> > leaders and long-time members. From time to time, it is highly suspected
>> > that some participants may have been and being used as a conduit in the
>> > discussions by leaders so that they can keep their hands clean. Some
>> readers
>> > are fully aware of this.
>> >
>> > .
>> >
>> > The non participation is not due to lack of computer access or skills,
>> > because email is used by everyone everyday for communication much like
>> the
>> > telephone. I suspect that it is just another secrecy and control
>> > manifestation that may be flowing from long term association with secret
>> > organizations.
>> >
>> > .
>> > This widespread mentality of secrecy makes it difficult for anyone think
>> of
>> > transparency and also the lack of transparency makes it easy to carryout
>> > plans which may be detrimental to TS and its members without any ordinary
>> > member raising questions.
>> > .
>> > We saw a classic display of this in the last yearÃââs super secret
>> attempt to
>> > disenfranchise all the members and even when it was discovered and there
>> was
>> > shock and unbelief from members, no apology was forthcoming from the
>> > proponents.
>> >
>> > .
>> >
>> > Unless the leaders wake up and start working for transparency, there is
>> > going to be other coups in future hurting TS and theosophy. Implementing
>> > transparency is easy. Each Section is fully autonomous and there is
>> widest
>> > latitude to implement transparency measure immediately. But, for those
>> who
>> > grew up in a opaque environment, it is very difficult to see the
>> advantages
>> > of transparency. Instead of harping on International problems, whether
>> real
>> > or imagined, now is the time to take steps to open up the sectionÃââs
>> > activities and demonstrate to other sections how transparency can be
>> > implemented now and how it safeguards the interests of TS.
>> >
>> > Let us not forget the 1900 Letter (warning) from Master KH:
>> >
>> > +++Misleading secrecy has given the death blow to numerous
>> organizations. +++
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > MKR
>> >
>> > Visit www.theosophy. net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6/18/09, robertapimenta26 <robertapimenta26@ ...> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dear Mr. Anand,
>> > >
>> > > The ES of the Adyar group is not an open body as you know, so members
>> are
>> > > reluctant to come out into the open. But I guess that in particular
>> among
>> > > certain ES members, and their local leaders, a lobby was formed to
>> secure
>> > > the re-election of Radha Burnier, no matter what.
>> > >
>> > > Why they did this? One can only guess!
>> > >
>> > > Roberta
>> > >
>> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com><theos- talk%
>> 40yahoogroups. com>, "Anand"
>> > > <AnandGholap@ > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com><theos- talk%
>> 40yahoogroups. com>,
>> > > "robertapimenta26" <robertapimenta26@ > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Last year, in Brazil, some ES members who showed their deep concern
>> and
>> > > openly shared their doubts, were told by their local leader, that IF
>> they
>> > > were not certain of Radha Burnier's health, or her capacities to lead
>> the
>> > > TS, they should leave the ES.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Similar things happened in other Latin American countries.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Roberta
>> > > > >
>> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------
>> > > > Dear Roberta,
>> > > > If these things are interpreted correctly, it would mean that message
>> > > given by local leaders to ES members was "accept Radha Burnier as
>> leader of
>> > > TS or leave the ES"
>> > > > Who do you think was behind giving such message to ES members in
>> > > different countries?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
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