Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00389)

Interlocking of so called unrelated organizations such as Co-Masonry and LCC
also can be a constraining factor for those who want to move up and become a
Pope and feel good in the costume that is supposed to show off who is the
Pope. During the litigation of Co-masonry in the USA, guess where the head
of (pro TSA) comasonry was residing? Krotona? Can be claimed accidental!
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MKR
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:05 PM, robertapimenta26 <
robertapimenta26@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> Mr. Ramadoss,
>
> The secrecy, and the strange, darkish political games being played behind
> closed doors, is so bad for the TS Adyar. The ES is not transparent that is
> a fact, but is should be above all politics. All can read this in TS
> literature. Olcott at first was opposed to the ES, afraid for a state in the
> state. Perhaps he was right after all!! The Pasadena group was wise to
> dissolve the ES.
>
> Roberta
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >
> > Strange pattern of secrecy/non transparency
> >
> > It looks like, in the leadership around the world and the underlings who,
> > for all practical purposes, seem to be under the thumb of the leaders,
> there
> > is a pattern of secrecy/non transparency and silence.
> >
> > .
> >
> > Many long time members of this and other theosophical maillists know
> > that you rarely see any of the leaders world-wide or anyone who has
> anything
> > to do with the administration participate or comment on anything good or
> bad
> > or indifferent happening to TS. During the last almost 15 years, only two
> > General Secretaries have participated on this maillist. They are, the
> late
> > Einar from Iceland and Warwick from NZ. Has anyone come up with a reason
> > why?
> >
> > .
> >
> > Also even in the USA, we have not seen any of those who are or were in
> the
> > administration participate in any of the maillists and I do not think
> that
> > this is accidental. We all know that this list is being monitored by the
> > leaders and long-time members. From time to time, it is highly suspected
> > that some participants may have been and being used as a conduit in the
> > discussions by leaders so that they can keep their hands clean. Some
> readers
> > are fully aware of this.
> >
> > .
> >
> > The non participation is not due to lack of computer access or skills,
> > because email is used by everyone everyday for communication much like
> the
> > telephone. I suspect that it is just another secrecy and control
> > manifestation that may be flowing from long term association with secret
> > organizations.
> >
> > .
> > This widespread mentality of secrecy makes it difficult for anyone think
> of
> > transparency and also the lack of transparency makes it easy to carryout
> > plans which may be detrimental to TS and its members without any ordinary
> > member raising questions.
> > .
> > We saw a classic display of this in the last yearÃââs super secret
> attempt to
> > disenfranchise all the members and even when it was discovered and there
> was
> > shock and unbelief from members, no apology was forthcoming from the
> > proponents.
> >
> > .
> >
> > Unless the leaders wake up and start working for transparency, there is
> > going to be other coups in future hurting TS and theosophy. Implementing
> > transparency is easy. Each Section is fully autonomous and there is
> widest
> > latitude to implement transparency measure immediately. But, for those
> who
> > grew up in a opaque environment, it is very difficult to see the
> advantages
> > of transparency. Instead of harping on International problems, whether
> real
> > or imagined, now is the time to take steps to open up the sectionÃââs
> > activities and demonstrate to other sections how transparency can be
> > implemented now and how it safeguards the interests of TS.
> >
> > Let us not forget the 1900 Letter (warning) from Master KH:
> >
> > +++Misleading secrecy has given the death blow to numerous
> organizations.+++
> >
> >
> >
> > MKR
> >
> > Visit theosophy.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/18/09, robertapimenta26 <robertapimenta26@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Mr. Anand,
> > >
> > > The ES of the Adyar group is not an open body as you know, so members
> are
> > > reluctant to come out into the open. But I guess that in particular
> among
> > > certain ES members, and their local leaders, a lobby was formed to
> secure
> > > the re-election of Radha Burnier, no matter what.
> > >
> > > Why they did this? One can only guess!
> > >
> > > Roberta
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, "Anand"
> > > <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "robertapimenta26" <robertapimenta26@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Last year, in Brazil, some ES members who showed their deep concern
> and
> > > openly shared their doubts, were told by their local leader, that IF
> they
> > > were not certain of Radha Burnier's health, or her capacities to lead
> the
> > > TS, they should leave the ES.
> > > > >
> > > > > Similar things happened in other Latin American countries.
> > > > >
> > > > > Roberta
> > > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------
> > > > Dear Roberta,
> > > > If these things are interpreted correctly, it would mean that message
> > > given by local leaders to ES members was "accept Radha Burnier as
> leader of
> > > TS or leave the ES"
> > > > Who do you think was behind giving such message to ES members in
> > > different countries?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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