Re: Theos-World Re: Strange pattern of secrecy/non transparency
Jun 18, 2009 04:49 PM
Interesting thread of discussion.
Is it not possible for all those members that share the same concerns about secrecy and openess to come together and create another more just and inspiring branch of the TS? Would it require permission? What would be the grounds from TS members to reject such a needed action? I think with the use of the internet and the connections and personal profiles we have of members and non-members regarding stance or positions on TS, it would not take much effort to begin such a movement. It would have to obvisouly be non threatening and for the interest and benefit of all TS members and avid interested personages. The only doubt i have is would it be strickly for communication purpouses or could there be enough knowledge and wisdom within this potential group of people who could manifest such a reality, to apply the more practical or ritualistic side of Theosophy and thus create something awe inspiring and revolutionary. Considering the on-going unhappiness and
concern expressed by many members would it not be a worthy option to consider? Like all governements , if they stop working for the people and are only concerned with their own progress or interests it is indicative of a time for upheaval , revolution or change. TS needs a new lease of life a fresh breath with more universally gratifying objectives and goals.
Just my opinion and possible food for thought.
Peace and Blessings
--- On Thu, 18/6/09, robertapimenta26 <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
From: robertapimenta26 <email@example.com>
Subject: Theos-World Re: Strange pattern of secrecy/non transparency
Date: Thursday, 18 June, 2009, 11:05 PM
The secrecy, and the strange, darkish political games being played behind closed doors, is so bad for the TS Adyar. The ES is not transparent that is a fact, but is should be above all politics. All can read this in TS literature. Olcott at first was opposed to the ES, afraid for a state in the state. Perhaps he was right after all!! The Pasadena group was wise to dissolve the ES.
--- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
> Strange pattern of secrecy/non transparency
> It looks like, in the leadership around the world and the underlings who,
> for all practical purposes, seem to be under the thumb of the leaders, there
> is a pattern of secrecy/non transparency and silence.
> Many long time members of this and other theosophical maillists know
> that you rarely see any of the leaders world-wide or anyone who has anything
> to do with the administration participate or comment on anything good or bad
> or indifferent happening to TS. During the last almost 15 years, only two
> General Secretaries have participated on this maillist. They are, the late
> Einar from Iceland and Warwick from NZ. Has anyone come up with a reason
> Also even in the USA, we have not seen any of those who are or were in the
> administration participate in any of the maillists and I do not think that
> this is accidental. We all know that this list is being monitored by the
> leaders and long-time members. From time to time, it is highly suspected
> that some participants may have been and being used as a conduit in the
> discussions by leaders so that they can keep their hands clean. Some readers
> are fully aware of this.
> The non participation is not due to lack of computer access or skills,
> because email is used by everyone everyday for communication much like the
> telephone. I suspect that it is just another secrecy and control
> manifestation that may be flowing from long term association with secret
> This widespread mentality of secrecy makes it difficult for anyone think of
> transparency and also the lack of transparency makes it easy to carryout
> plans which may be detrimental to TS and its members without any ordinary
> member raising questions.
> We saw a classic display of this in the last yearÃââs super secret attempt to
> disenfranchise all the members and even when it was discovered and there was
> shock and unbelief from members, no apology was forthcoming from the
> Unless the leaders wake up and start working for transparency, there is
> going to be other coups in future hurting TS and theosophy. Implementing
> transparency is easy. Each Section is fully autonomous and there is widest
> latitude to implement transparency measure immediately. But, for those who
> grew up in a opaque environment, it is very difficult to see the advantages
> of transparency. Instead of harping on International problems, whether real
> or imagined, now is the time to take steps to open up the sectionÃââs
> activities and demonstrate to other sections how transparency can be
> implemented now and how it safeguards the interests of TS.
> Let us not forget the 1900 Letter (warning) from Master KH:
> +++Misleading secrecy has given the death blow to numerous organizations. +++
> Visit www.theosophy. net
> On 6/18/09, robertapimenta26 <robertapimenta26@ ...> wrote:
> > Dear Mr. Anand,
> > The ES of the Adyar group is not an open body as you know, so members are
> > reluctant to come out into the open. But I guess that in particular among
> > certain ES members, and their local leaders, a lobby was formed to secure
> > the re-election of Radha Burnier, no matter what.
> > Why they did this? One can only guess!
> > Roberta
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>, "Anand"
> > <AnandGholap@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > "robertapimenta26" <robertapimenta26@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Last year, in Brazil, some ES members who showed their deep concern and
> > openly shared their doubts, were told by their local leader, that IF they
> > were not certain of Radha Burnier's health, or her capacities to lead the
> > TS, they should leave the ES.
> > > >
> > > > Similar things happened in other Latin American countries.
> > > >
> > > > Roberta
> > > >
> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------
> > > Dear Roberta,
> > > If these things are interpreted correctly, it would mean that message
> > given by local leaders to ES members was "accept Radha Burnier as leader of
> > TS or leave the ES"
> > > Who do you think was behind giving such message to ES members in
> > different countries?
> > >
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