Theos-Talk Archives (June 2009 Message tt00355)

Based on what you have described, it looks like the problems in Slovenia
have to be addressed by the members in Slovenia. I hope you or someone else
can gather enough supporters and bring up the issue within the framework
under which TS in Slovenia operates.
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My 0.02.
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MKR
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Visit theosophy.net for interesting theosophy matters.
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On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Dear Ramadoss,
>
> Your question was: "I am wondering if Anton had a chance to personally meet
> with and talk to the current head of the TS in Slovenia. Usually, based on
> my experience, complex and complicated and contentious situations are
> amenable to solution in a one-on-one setting."
>
> I gave you one practical example to show you how things work, why GS avoids
> such discussions and that there are centers of power asserting their private
> interests - usually with the violation of the by-laws and their proceedings
> - at the expense of the interests of the Theosophical Society, that they are
> actually working against the interests of the Theosophical Society. And this
> is for sure a problem, the central problem.
>
> Best regards,
> Anton
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >
> > I still could not understand the real problem.
> >
> > If the TS in Slovenia did not want a website in the manner you suggested,
> > that is their problem. You, as an individual is free to setup a site and
> who
> > is to make a judgement on it.
> >
> > We have seen independent websites dealing with theosophy and TS. Also we
> > have this maillist which is not part of TS. If anyone in the
> organizational
> > structure does not like it, it is their problem.
> >
> > .
> >
> > MKR
> >
> > .
> >
> > Visit theosophy.net for more on theosophy.
> >
> >
> > On 6/15/09, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Ramadoss,
> > >
> > > Dusan and Breda Zagar were close friends with Anton Jesse and to some
> > > extend with me too but when new GS took over the office in 1995 they
> slowly
> > > moved off from him. Let's say that they change their "political"
> > > orientation. So, as I usually attend public lectures when some guest
> arrives
> > > in Slovenia, we courteously exchange few words as private persons, any
> > > discussion in his formal capacity as GS is avoided.
> > >
> > > Now let's take an example of formal relations: when Geo Duguay, late GS
> of
> > > the Canadian Theosophical Association, began to help me to create the
> web
> > > site I thought that this should be also the web site of the TS in
> Slovenia.
> > > When I proposed this to Dusan as the GS of the TS in Slovenia it was
> > > rejected. Then Geo wrote a letter to Dusan proposing two other options:
> that
> > > there could be two separated web sites but hosted on the same server
> and
> > > even completely separated and hosted on two different servers. Anyway
> the
> > > offer was frankly rejected and there was launched more than odd
> campaign
> > > within the TS in Slovenia that they prefer "live internet" - being
> person to
> > > person interaction - than a web site. Can any reasonable person
> understand
> > > this?
> > >
> > > But the explanation is that it is the Executive Committee which
> actually
> > > makes decisions as according to society's by-laws GS is only one member
> of
> > > this body and public representative of the Society. And as head of
> lodges
> > > keep ex-officio seat in the EC although not being elected on any
> elections
> > > they are real power behind the scenes and GS can not make any decision
> or
> > > take any concrete move without confirmation from the part of these
> persons.
> > >
> > > Warmest regards,
> > > Anton
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to hear what has happened in the past.
> > > >
> > > > I am wondering if Anton had a chance to personally meet with and talk
> to
> > > the
> > > > current head of the TS in Slovenia. Usually, based on my experience,
> > > complex
> > > > and complicated and contentious situations are amenable to solution
> in a
> > > > one-on-one setting. Even if in such a setting, the resolution is
> still
> > > not
> > > > satisfactory, then we can seek help of several long-time well known
> > > leaders
> > > > within the TS to help sort out the issues.
> > > >
> > > > My 0.02
> > > >
> > > > MKR
> > > > Visit thosophical community at theosophy.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear friends,
> > > > >
> > > > > I really don't want to enter too much into detail. When I was
> member of
> > > the
> > > > > TS in Slovenia I tried to call attention of the Society's bodies on
> the
> > > > > existing problems and inconsistencies and to propose solutions. My
> > > strivings
> > > > > were ignored and presented as my personal agenda. Later on I
> addressed
> > > these
> > > > > issues on formal level in a series of articles on the history of
> the TS
> > > in
> > > > > former Yugoslavia and Slovenia which can be found on my web site.
> > > > >
> > > > > In general these problems are usually related to the assertion of
> > > private
> > > > > interests at the expense of the common interest of the Society.
> Their
> > > local
> > > > > particularities in Slovenia can be summarized as resulting from
> > > smallness of
> > > > > groups, from heritage of totalitarian political system and from
> poor
> > > > > application of constitutional proceedings and declarations on
> freedom
> > > of
> > > > > thought and freedom of the Society. Lodges are close groups with
> > > practically
> > > > > no public work and presence.
> > > > >
> > > > > I never ceased to seek collaboration with the TS in Slovenia and to
> > > > > establish normal human relationships but all the attempts are still
> > > ignored.
> > > > > This surrealistic situation can be possibly understood only in the
> > > light of
> > > > > events related to the decay of the TS in former Yugoslavia.
> Although I
> > > > > didn't participate in them I was later on collaborator of the late
> GS
> > > of the
> > > > > TS in Slovenia, Anton Jesse, who's role in the history of the
> > > theosophical
> > > > > movement in our area tend to be purposely put into oblivion
> although it
> > > was
> > > > > he who actually did most to keep theosophical flame alive through
> WW II
> > > and
> > > > > through the totalitarian period.
> > > > >
> > > > > Therefore words dugpa and dugpa victim should be normally
> understood
> > > only
> > > > > in the context of my previous message to Ramadoss.
> > > > >
> > > > > Warmest regards,
> > > > > Anton
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > > > > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sometimes this happens in some lodges even in the US and India.
> > > > > > Even here in San Antonio, years ago, we used to meet in member's
> > > homes
> > > > > and
> > > > > > apartments. But public lectures are always held in a public
> place.
> > > > > > It would be interesting to find out the situation in Slovenia.
> > > > > > MKR
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:37 AM, robertapimenta26 <
> > > > > > robertapimenta26@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Quite interesting this remark by Mr. Anand. Meetings at private
> > > > > > > appartments, and only a select group to be present? Doesn't
> sound
> > > very
> > > > > > > transparent to me. What is going on there? That's worthwhile
> > > > > investigating.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Roberta
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com<theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Anand"
> > > > > > > <AnandGholap@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is for local members only; and probably because they
> still
> > > see
> > > > > me as
> > > > > > > dugpa victim or even dugpa itself,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why do they think you are a dugpa or it's victim?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >while Pedro probably doesn't have any wish to meet me. But
> the
> > > major
> > > > > > > problem is probably that that Lodge meets at Lodge head's
> private
> > > > > > > appartment.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why doesn't Pedro wish to meet you?
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