Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00059)

Dear Sampsa and friends

My views are:


1.
Sampsa wrote:
"I don't promote anybody's unethical behaviour. I think unethical behaviour should not be made secret like CWL's behaviour has wrongly been made secret earlier, but I don't want to keep repeating other people's sins. Let us feel compassion also towards CWL."

M. Sufilight answers:
Good.
Yes, let us feel wise compassion towards CWL. But if we do it while showing - coldness- or dis-compassion towards HPB and the Masters programe, we will have to ask if we are serving TWO MASTERS or deities?

As far as I am concerned it is quite unethical to keep seeling CWL's books when the present knowledge or assumed knowledge about his activities are promoted on the Internet by theosophical opponents and by wellmeaning Seekers after Truth. And selling them while they, the books sellers and their leaders, - IGNORE the known truth about his activities. Whether this truth is assumed or real. 

After all TS are not selling books called "Paedophiles for dummies", are they?
Or books on "How to turn TS into a pseudo-Christian phallic sect"?

If you disagree with H. P. Blavatskys words in her article "IS DENUNCIATION A DUTY?" - you just let me know?

 Because your words in the above tells me, that you have not understood the gravity of the situation, which I am dealing with when the issue C. W. Leadbeater creeps forward into your mind. But all this is of course just my view. Others might feel different, but if that is called compassion I would like to know why?

"IS DENUNCIATION A DUTY?", 1888, Lucifer.
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_091.htm

The object of the TS was to "form the nucleus of a Universal Brotherhood of Humanity, without distinction of race, creed, sex, caste or colour." 

- And in her book for Newbies, called - The Key to Theosophy - p-2-3, HPB added the following :
"ENQUIRER. What was the object of this system?

 THEOSOPHIST. First of all to inculcate certain great moral truths upon its disciples, and all those who were "lovers of the truth." Hence the motto adopted by the Theosophical Society: "There is no religion higher than truth." â The chief aim of the Founder of the Eclectic Theosophical School was one of the three objects of its modern successor, the Theosophical Society, namely, to reconcile all religions, sects and nations under a common system of ethics, based on eternal verities. "

Now I say:
If TS Adyar want to delete these words by HPB and turn the TS into something else, they aught at least have the decency of telling people about it. Do they not?



2.
Sampsa wrote:
"It holds true that you wrote also about other issues besides CWL. I myself wanted to emphasize him."

M. Sufilight answers:
Thanks.


3.
Sampsa wrote:
"My view is similar to what Katinka wrote that teachings and a teacher are different things. I believe CWL made up some things, but sometimes he spoke true."

M. Sufilight answers:
Yes, they are different things. But to hold them 100% apart from each other is just as bad as saying, that because God is said to have written the Bible we aught to promote and sell it online and all! 

I know that TS is not doing that. And I thank them for it. Yet the Liberal Catholic Church are prepared to do it, or at least promote it! (Side note: As well as the Alice A. Baileys with their views about The New Testament)

Of course we cull the good we find in each system of thought. But we do not choose the Bible as one of our main books for the future of mankind! The HPB-Masters and HPB have earlier on in clear terms explained why.


4.
Sampsa wrote:
"I recommend books by CWL to newbies because they are much easier to read than HPB. Truth-seekers can then later read HPB."

M. Sufilight answers:
Now I ask in all friendliness and you may reject my questions if you want to...

And you of course do that without telling them about the many mistakes which are hidden in the books and his style of writing? - 
And you of course do that omitting to tell the newbies, that they will most often more easily walk the path by the use of allegories, which requires their brains to think than they will with books written by a man with a very BAD reputation? - 
And you of course do that omitting to tell the newbies the obvious consequences of having books by such a man on their own shelves and in their room, or hands for everyone to see or to have it romoured that they are involved with such an activity? -

Listen carefully:
I am always declining to call those theosophists who water down the dogmatic Christians and Jesuits and their bad activities! - TS Adyar and even Masters and Dhyan Chohans included.
And I ask if you disagree on this?


5.
Sampsa wrote:
"I agree with you that there have happened big changes in the TS during the years that you mention, but I am not ready to discuss them at this moment. They are too big and abstract questions now as we are dealing with rules, dates and mails. They can be discussed in other context. The Adyar TS has not been honest with its history. I believe like you and Daniel and many others that the so called second generation watered down some deep original theosophical teachings. Maybe it was work by the Dark Brotherhood. When there is light, the darkness gathers its forces, and vice versa."

M. Sufilight answers:
I agree a lot. But that was exactly why I touched upon these issues, so that the readers would understand why setting the recent TS turmoil straight will only be - a furthering of -  an existing problem if it was and will be done wihtout a proper examination of the foundations on which it already has been examined and will be examined.

Self-criticism aught to be the hall-mark at TS Adyar and TS as such.
But today it seems that the opposite is what is preferred - even - despite the costs!


6.
I would like to read Sri Rams articles on UFOs. Are they online? Why not?
Anyone?





M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: sampsakuukasjarvi 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:29 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World TS Adyar - The Truth Unveiled


  Morten,

  I meant it when I said that you have an investigating attitude. I admire it.

  I don't promote anybody's unethical behaviour. I think unethical behaviour should not be made secret like CWL's behaviour has wrongly been made secret earlier, but I don't want to keep repeating other people's sins. Let us feel compassion also towards CWL.

  It holds true that you wrote also about other issues besides CWL. I myself wanted to emphasize him.

  My view is similar to what Katinka wrote that teachings and a teacher are different things. I believe CWL made up some things, but sometimes he spoke true.

  Btw. one friend of mine explained that errors in CWL's books are due to his ghost writers. For example, we do know that Ernest Wood wrote half of the classic book "The Masters and the Path". In this book there are famous untrue statements like CWL's being in Hyde Park in 1851. But CWL read everything which was put under his name, so this explanation is not valid.

  I recommend books by CWL to newbies because they are much easier to read than HPB. Truth-seekers can then later read HPB.

  I agree with you that there have happened big changes in the TS during the years that you mention, but I am not ready to discuss them at this moment. They are too big and abstract questions now as we are dealing with rules, dates and mails. They can be discussed in other context. The Adyar TS has not been honest with its history. I believe like you and Daniel and many others that the so called second generation watered down some deep original theosophical teachings. Maybe it was work by the Dark Brotherhood. When there is light, the darkness gathers its forces, and vice versa.

  About UFOs. N. Sri Ram wrote about them in the 1950s and 60s â I have read articles, but I don't remember their contents. Theosophists usually concentrate on human life and self-knowledge â why to think too much of humanoids? I have an understanding that often Theosophists think that UFOs and humanoids are just astral phenomena.

  Sampsa


  

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