Theos-Talk Archives (April 2009 Message tt00058)

Dear Alex and friends

My views are:

On the sex and alcohol issue...

For karmic reasons the initiates sometimes socialise with "sinners".

Yet...No it is not right to have sex if it can be avoided and if one has reached a level, were such an activity should be consider inferior. Sexual intercourse can however be necessary to some Seekers on various levels. Sex is really an animalistic activitiy, where the heart most often is believed to be elsewhere than it really is. - Alcohol aught clearly to be avoided, because it hampers the spiritual development of most Seekers. 

And sometimes the Tibetans or others whether Bon or Buddhist have to take proper care of the "western" tourists. And after all a lot of persons are in fact only human. They also have "New Age" sects and various groupings of Bons and Buddhists in Tibet and other places..


That is my view.


M. Sufilight



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: alex 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:17 PM
  Subject: Theos-World Re: Was head chela D.K. known as Dayal Singh Majithia?


  Why would the Masters of the right had path support those of the left and their movement?
  Do we not know about Bon? Do we not know about the Red Hats who mix with the practices of Bon? Is it right to have sex, drink alcohol etc. and practice tantra like many of the Nyingmas do?

  Alex 

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@...> wrote:
  >
  > Dear friends
  > 
  > 
  > My views are:
  > 
  > Allow me to throw a few thoughts and ask some questions...
  > 
  > 
  > ******* 1 *******
  > 
  > I discovered the following in K. Paul Johnsons book "Initiations of Theosophical Masters" on page 49.
  > 
  > "Another royal sponsor of the TS, Maharaja Bikram Singh of Faridkot, was by 1886 emboiled in a dispute which rent asunder the Singh Sabha. Bikram Singh, patron of the organization, was allied with Thakar Singh Sandhanwalia (KH), Baba Khem Singh Bedi (the Chohan), and Dayal Singh Majithia (Djual Kul) in support of a military uprising against the British." (p. 49)
  > 
  > I wonder what the view of Djual Kul being identical with Dayal Singh Majithia is based on?
  > 
  > 
  > - - - Some info about Dayal Singh Majithia - - -
  > 
  > Dayal Singh Majithia was said to be present at the 1884 TS Convent.
  > Now where is he on the picture?
  > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/hpbphotos18.htm
  > 
  > Wikipedia says about Dayal Singh Majithia (1848-1898) 
  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyal_Singh_Majithia
  > 
  > Dayal Singh Majithia was for instance a writer and the founder of the India newspaper named The Tribune.
  > 
  > And Annie Besant talked warmly about Dayal Singh Majithia :
  > http://www.geocities.com/dyalsinghcollegekarnal/singh.html
  > 
  > In this expanded bio he was for instance in heavy Correspondances with a muslim named Maulvi Sayed Ali Muhammad
  > http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030909/edit.htm
  > 
  > 
  > Are there any more info on who D. K. really was?
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > ******* 2 *******
  > 
  > 
  > ***A***
  > "The Twelfth Dalai Lama, Trinley Gyatso
  > 
  > The Twelfth Dalai Lama, Trinley Gyatso was born in 1856 in Lhoka, a place near Lhasa to Phuntsok Tsewang and Tsering Yudon.
  > 
  > In 1858, the young boy as Dalai Lama was escorted to Lhasa where Reting Ngawang Yeshi Tsultrim Gyaltsen, the regent gave him the name
  > Thupten Gyatso. In 1860, at the age of five he took the novice vows of monkhood from the Gaden Throne Holder Lobsang Khenrab and he was
  > enthroned in the Potala Palace. In 1873, at the age of eighteen, he took on full responsibility as both spiritual and political leader of Tibet. In
  > 1875, he died at the age of twenty in the Potala Palace."
  > 
  > 
  > *** B ***
  > Thubten Gyatso the 13th Dalai Lama (enthroned in 1879) was born as far away as Lake Baikal.
  > -
  > "The Thirteenth Dalai Lama, Thupten Gyatso
  > 
  > The Thirteenth Dalai Lama, Thupten Gyatso, was born in the year of the Fire Bird in 1876 at Thakpo Langdun in south Tibet to Kunga Rinchen
  > and Lobsang Dolma, a peasant couple.
  > 
  > In 1878, he was recognized as the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama following predictions from the state oracles and auspicious signs at his birth.
  > He was escorted to Lhasa where he was ordained into monkhood by the Panchen Lama, Tenpai Wangchuk, and was given the name Ngawang
  > Lobsang Thupten Gyatso Jigdral Chokley Namgyal. In 1879, the Thirteenth Dalai Lama was enthroned at the Potala Palace."
  > 
  > - - -
  > Was the founders ( ) of the Rime Movement of Tibetan Buddhism involved with the theosophical Masters?
  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rime_movement
  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamyang_Khyentse_Wangpo
  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamgon_Kongtrul_Lodro_Thaye
  > 
  > The Rime Movements importance until today:
  > "In summary, the Rime movement is a timely and unique movement with great consequences, owing much to the two 19th century luminaries Khyentse Wangpo and Jamgon Kongtrul. Without their incredible efforts compiling and transmitting teachings, it is likely that much Buddhist literature would have been lost. It helped break the custom of single lineage teachings which isolated some schools from others, and it established a platform from which people could view all schools with equal respect. In fact Lord Buddha himself forbade his students to criticize teachers and teachings from other traditions and cultures. This is what Rime is all about."
  > http://www.rimebuddhism.com/tradition_rime.html
  > - - -
  > 
  > Are there any more info on who D. K. really was?
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > M. Sufilight
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